Ya, sit up on the porch all week and get you some of that BP money... almost as good as that Obama money.

There are businesses, workers and their families who are deserving of reimbursement. Don't complicate that process...

 

Don't worry Mike, I am not one of the four folks that made a claim.

 

So 4 people made claims as a recreational fisherman? There was no loss of income, so I am trying to figure out what they claimed as a loss. And why were they even paid by BP? There are actual losses that need to be paid, not bogus claims like this. Unbelievable.

 

Thats why I posted it, I was pretty surprised to see it. I figured one of you guys could shed some light on it.

I am not on this Earth to judge anyone by any means. But this raises my eyebrows. I am pretty sure this is all public record so I guess that someone could check into it and ask them.

I am a rec fisherman, I am in the military so no loss of income. I, like everyone else, am very frustrated at the entire situation. Are these 4 folks taking from someone who needs it more? I dont know, I dont have all the facts.

If it is purely a rec fisherman I can only think of a few reasons why a rec would make a claim. Impact to way of life, as I see it you may be able to argue that but thats stretching it a bit I think. Making payments for gear that you cant use, like boat payments and/or boat insurance, I could see this one as discussion.

You guys tell me. I dont know.

 

Less see,

YOU just bought a 100K boat, You took it out once. Loved it. When down and bought 20k in electronics and another 5k in fishing gear so that the next time you go you might have some fun. Now of course the boat is not truly yours because its yours and the bank until its paid for. Your have a $175 a month insurance payment, a berth rental fee, and of course the bank note all for something you may not get to use for 2 years. If you sell it you will lose everything you put down and still owe the bank.

I can see a rec fisher suing and wanting their share. They are losing money the same as anyone else.

Just my opinion

BBob

 

How do we know the claims for the rec fisherman are not for damage to their boats and or motor?

Mark

 

weatherman (05/06/2010)Thats why I posted it, I was pretty surprised to see it. I figured one of you guys could shed some light on it.

I am not on this Earth to judge anyone by any means. But this raises my eyebrows. I am pretty sure this is all public record so I guess that someone could check into it and ask them.

I am a rec fisherman, I am in the military so no loss of income. I, like everyone else, am very frustrated at the entire situation. Are these 4 folks taking from someone who needs it more? I dont know, I dont have all the facts.

If it is purely a rec fisherman I can only think of a few reasons why a rec would make a claim. Impact to way of life, as I see it you may be able to argue that but thats stretching it a bit I think. Making payments for gear that you cant use, like boat payments and/or boat insurance, I could see this one as discussion.

You guys tell me. I dont know.

If you think it's stretching it to say some recreational fishermen's quality of life has been impacted extremely, then you don't enjoy it as much they do, haven't had the same experiences, etc. For some people fishing is more than a hobby. It becomes deeply engrained in the culture. For instance, every Saturday, I wakeup at 2AM, drive from Mobile to Pensacola, meetup with the rest of the crew, go offshore for 12-24 or so hours, clean the boat, put the gear away, clean the fish, drive back to Mobile, take a shower, and sleep for 8-14 hours. I do this EVERY week. it is the thing I look forward to all week. I fish at least one and usually 2 more times a week after workat night over in Mobile. BP definitely owes recreational fishermen for taking away a culture, a way of life. If our area is going to be negatively impacted for more than a season, then everyone's boat, gear, etc loses value with a diminished market. There are people more deserving right now (people who actually obtain their income from the gulf of mexico), and that is the only reason more haven't filed claims.Heck, the property value of those who live in normal neighboroods (not directly on the water) along the coast is probably going to be reduced in the short term as well. BP has affected so many people in so many ways.

BP doesn't deserve to keep any of their money. If I knew I wouldn't negatively impact someone who makes their living on the GoM by filing a claim, I'd try doing it. I thinkmany recreationoal fishermen could make a viable, convincing case.

 

How inthe hell did 4 rec. fisherman get 10K, the same as 17 claims from marine repair? I have a friend and prior co-worker who's taking it in the ? from this mess. What a bunch of crap...............

 

Very interesting discussion fellas, maybe the claims were for damages, who knows, like I said I dont have all the info, I saw the claims as I was reading a portion of the update that I dont normally read.

I too have thought about home prices and the trickle down effect of this whole thing.

And trust me, I do enjoy the area, I just wish I was in town more often to do so. Seems that I am always out in the world somewhere during the good times, PFF and the photos you guys take keeps me going for sure.

 

Fiver (05/06/2010)

weatherman (05/06/2010)Thats why I posted it, I was pretty surprised to see it. I figured one of you guys could shed some light on it.

I am not on this Earth to judge anyone by any means. But this raises my eyebrows. I am pretty sure this is all public record so I guess that someone could check into it and ask them.

I am a rec fisherman, I am in the military so no loss of income. I, like everyone else, am very frustrated at the entire situation. Are these 4 folks taking from someone who needs it more? I dont know, I dont have all the facts.

If it is purely a rec fisherman I can only think of a few reasons why a rec would make a claim. Impact to way of life, as I see it you may be able to argue that but thats stretching it a bit I think. Making payments for gear that you cant use, like boat payments and/or boat insurance, I could see this one as discussion.

You guys tell me. I dont know.

If you think it's stretching it to say some recreational fishermen's quality of life has been impacted extremely, then you don't enjoy it as much they do, haven't had the same experiences, etc. For some people fishing is more than a hobby. It becomes deeply engrained in the culture. For instance, every Saturday, I wakeup at 2AM, drive from Mobile to Pensacola, meetup with the rest of the crew, go offshore for 12-24 or so hours, clean the boat, put the gear away, clean the fish, drive back to Mobile, take a shower, and sleep for 8-14 hours. I do this EVERY week. it is the thing I look forward to all week. I fish at least one and usually 2 more times a week after workat night over in Mobile. BP definitely owes recreational fishermen for taking away a culture, a way of life. If our area is going to be negatively impacted for more than a season, then everyone's boat, gear, etc loses value with a diminished market. There are people more deserving right now (people who actually obtain their income from the gulf of mexico), and that is the only reason more haven't filed claims.Heck, the property value of those who live in normal neighboroods (not directly on the water) along the coast is probably going to be reduced in the short term as well. BP has affected so many people in so many ways.

BP doesn't deserve to keep any of their money. If I knew I wouldn't negatively impact someone who makes their living on the GoM by filing a claim, I'd try doing it. I thinkmany recreationoal fishermen could make a viable, convincing case.

Very well said Fiver. The rec. guy's deserve it too. Any body that does not see how apperantley doesn't get the same thing from fishing as I do. I'm not saying we should get rich but deffinatley something. The commercial guy's do deserve more. This is there job that has been lost. Point is, BP has the money. If we can get it we should. I want to see there heads on sticks. These bastards deserve nothing. Just remember they make 6 billion dollars a quarter. How? Go put some gas in your car, It's crazy.

Let's compare

BP = $6 billion a quarter

to

REC. Guy's $10000 @ 4x= $2500 each

If you can get anything from BP, get it. They are gonna stop paying and start screwing everyone that is owed. Commercial, worker's, Everyone. This is not far away, it's coming and soon. You might say they have already started. Then again, this is just my opinion. This and a nickel is worth about five cent's.

As I sit here this morning, wondering what I'm gonna do today when I would normally be fishing, It seems like the right opinion.

 

My fervent hope is that BP continues to sell a butt load of oil at huge profit so they can pay for every imaginable effort to try to mitigate this cluster F they created and pay all the claims of people whose livlihood and way of life has been and will continue to be so drastically impacted. I hope they have to mortgage their company to the hilt and pay out every penny they make for the next 50 years.I could not give a rats @ss how much it costs.

 

My only hobby is fishing. I happily dump tons of money into the local economy in pursuit of that hobby. I also have those expenses associated with owning and operating a boat...is it wrong for me to want to be made whole by this situation??? No different than a home owner on the beach that has plopped down his $$$ for a now decimated beach front property! Everyone needs to be compensated. Headed out the door to volunteer filling booms at Gulf Breeze Rec Center...this sucks for all of us , especially the younger kids who may not get to experience what we have here for years to come!

 

Maybe I should put in a Recreational Fisherman claim for $2,500 and then take the money and donate it to either the Wildlife Rescue Organization or to the county so that they can buy some boom and and try and protect the William River Grass Beds which are near my house. That's probably the only way those important efforts will get funded. If only our county commissioners would try and be that creative with getting funding then maybe we'll get somewhere in protecting our inland waters over here in Santa Rosa.

This almost pi%ss's me off as bad as the $50 million BP Public Relations advertisement campaign featuring your friend and mine Tony Hayward.

 

chrisnnavarre (05/06/2010)Maybe I should put in a Recreational Fisherman claim for $2,500 and then take the money and donate it to either the Wildlife Rescue Organization or to the county so that they can buy some boom and and try and protect the William River Grass Beds which are near my house. That's probably the only way those important efforts will get funded. If only our county commissioners would try and be that creative with getting funding then maybe we'll get somewhere in protecting our inland waters over here in Santa Rosa.

This almost pi%ss's me off as bad as the $50 million BP Public Relations advertisement campaign featuring your friend and mine Tony Hayward.

Chris I forgot to mention THAT $50 million. Like I said, If you can get ,get it. They are gonna screw us all before it's all said and done. Even worse than what they already have. I've got to get away from this computer. The longer I sit here the madder I get.

 

BP has plenty of money for everything. They have huge cash flow. They are not going out of business no matter how expensive it gets.I only hope that they will live up to their responsibilities.

 

There are many people who are losing business revenue, etc. who deservedly should be filing claims. However, also look at it this way, I am a rec fisherman, BUT BP has caused me personally to spend money for nothing. Here is an example. As of tomorrow, the coastal waters will probably be shut down from LA to Apalachicola. I have paid thousands of dollars deploying artificial reefs which have been maturing over the last 2 years. Snapper season is about to open and that fishery is closed because of the NOAA closure of the gulf...caused by BP. I have strong grounds for a claim. Additionally, Destin Pass, and most other Gulf Passes, will probably be closed in the next few days/weeks. I have an ocean going vessel that i pay on monthly, pay insurance, have bought gear, etc. If BPs truly going to make EVERYONE affected whole, then I think we all fall into this category. I think we all have a very strong case here. I think the commercial guys have first rights, but BP said on the news that they have adequate capacity (meaning $$$$) to stay afloat for a long ong time. This means they have adequate capacity to pay claims to ALL of those affected.

 

I am not saying all are legitimate but right now I am out $1000 dollars for a deposit on a three day trip to Venice and I believe BP not the charter guide is responsible. The captain would surely pay me back if I had to cancel but it is the difference between feeding his family and keeping his boat and livelihood and giving me back my money, I don't blame him a bit. He has lost his livelihood. I think ultimately BP is responsible for this.

 

Just remember some of the rec. fisherman use what theycatch to feed their family too.Most don't get food stamps andcan't aford the $3.+ a pound publix hamburg; the fish we catch sure help. So why should they get the help too if they are affected and can get the help, granted they don't have $500+ dock feed and all the other cost. Some of their boats aren't worth a hoot but for them are like gold.

Just rememberothers maybe hurt by this oil spill but may not in the same ways you or your buddy has beenhurt.

So cast that stone.

 

I dont think anyone was casting stones, I think this is a pretty good discussion so far. A lot of good points have been raised including yours.

 

Welcome to the new America; There is a problem, I have been impacted, I want money. Where does it stop?

I guess it really doesn't matter, right... It was an evil rich corporation...

 

Mike aka FishWerks (05/06/2010)Welcome to the new America; There is a problem, I have been impacted, I want money. Where does it stop?

I guess it really doesn't matter, right... It was an evil rich corporation...

Ha ha, Is that sarcasm Mike?

I think a lot of folks have brought up some good points here.

Evil corporation, ha ha, just to make you mad I am going to make my rec fisherman claim and use the $2500 bucks to buy stock in BP.

 

Good discussion, agreed.

 

You said it best! this is a way of life and if you have to completely give up everything you know and do because of some companies negligence then someone should pay. People that think fishing is just a hobbie don't need to be in here posting opinions. The cost of this is allot more than a few lost fishing spots.

 

Fishing is a way of life, I agree wholeheartedly. But, is it my livleyhood? Nope. Much as I hate the spill, and as much as it inconveniences me, do I make a living off it? No. Does it keep the lights on? My family clothed? Keep up my insurance? Pay my mortgage? Buy my vehicles? Pay for me to even see a movie? Nope, nope, and more nopes? They don't owe me a dime. If I did make my living fishing, or related to anything affected by the spill? Yes, then they would owe me.

 

Downtime2 (05/06/2010)Fishing is a way of life, I agree wholeheartedly. But, is it my livleyhood? Nope. Much as I hate the spill, and as much as it inconveniences me, do I make a living off it? No. Does it keep the lights on? My family clothed? Keep up my insurance? Pay my mortgage? Buy my vehicles? Pay for me to even see a movie? Nope, nope, and more nopes? They don't owe me a dime. If I did make my living fishing, or related to anything affected by the spill? Yes, then they would owe me.

Well I wouldn't make a claim myself but I'm sorry to have to admit that I know a few folks that would of had to skip dinner a few times if it weren't
for a quick trip to the pier for a nice Red or a net full of mullet. I'm just saying sometimes the costs are not so obvious.