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An ly other wise known as a (ailwise) or mossbunker also known as menhaden....AKA>latin BREVOORITA TYRANNUS!! When i was a kid growing up in NJ i worked in the bellford fish and seafood company and all i did all day was shovel these smelly begger's into a grinder%$#@%$ now i just use them for bait.They can weigh up to six pounds and are a best bait for big tuna.

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Thank you Capt. Jim. Just moved down here from Jersey. This redfishin is a lot like striper fishin.

They fight almost identical. Do you charter a boat?
 

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not trying to be mean but you are completely wrong

this is a menhaden

<a href="http://s265.photobucket.com/albums/ii224/kingling95/?action=view&current=Menhaden.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii224/kingling95/Menhaden.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

this is an LY aka scaled sardine

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all those names you said were for a menhaden an LY is a completly diffrent bait fish
 

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I know from being on the Okaloosa Island Pier fishing that there is one I think they call it a Leatherback. Anyway, kinda like a herring, but right behind the fin there is a barb that barely sticks out and it will make you sick. Wish I could find a pic of one.
 

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I have no science, but I net them both for bait.....LY's...and Menhadden are 2 different baits....i will get up to speed with FWC Marine Fisheries and report back.

see any bonefish lately?

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There arefour different species of fish that are commonly mis-identified as an LY.. the term LY is southern slang for alewife which is a northeast Atlantic fish that we don't even have around here..you should never, ever use the term LY! It's totally inaccurate,incorrect and thereis no species offish in the literature with that name.

1. There are scaled sardines with a deeper body and there are also spanish sardines that are thinner.... down in South Florida they call these white bait.. when you throw your net on them, the net looks white as you pull it up.. this is what most people incorrectly call "LY".

2. Juvenile menhaden are another species that are incorrectly identified. They have a dot on their side.

3. You also have threadfin herring, which are the easiest to id because they have a long threadfin coming off their dorsal fin. They also have a dot on their side.

All three are excellent baitfish, menhaden are the toughest to keep alive in your livewell.

Take a minute to look them up on fishbase.org or google the images, and you'll know all the species in a matter of minutes.
 

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Bob,

to me it looks like the little boy, probably your son is whsipering the facts on this subject into your ear, so it looks like it's coming from you?

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Shiznik (9/1/2008)I know from being on the Okaloosa Island Pier fishing that there is one I think they call it a Leatherback. Anyway, kinda like a herring, but right behind the fin there is a barb that barely sticks out and it will make you sick. Wish I could find a pic of one.
I've heard those called crazy fish. Don't they have a yellow tail? Don't know about being sick but they hurt for a while if you get poked.
 

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I've heard those called crazy fish. Don't they have a yellow tail? Don't know about being sick but they hurt for a while if you get poked.
ive seen people start throwing up on the pier after they get stung by a crazy fish

i dont ever mess with them for that reason
 

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Capt. Bob Quarles (9/1/2008)There arefour different species of fish that are commonly mis-identified as an LY.. the term LY is southern slang for alewife which is a northeast Atlantic fish that we don't even have around here..you should never, ever use the term LY! It's totally inaccurate,incorrect and thereis no species offish in the literature with that name.

1. There are scaled sardines with a deeper body and there are also spanish sardines that are thinner.... down in South Florida they call these white bait.. when you throw your net on them, the net looks white as you pull it up.. this is what most people incorrectly call "LY".

2. Juvenile menhaden are another species that are incorrectly identified. They have a dot on their side.

3. You also have threadfin herring, which are the easiest to id because they have a long threadfin coming off their dorsal fin. They also have a dot on their side.

All three are excellent baitfish, menhaden are the toughest to keep alive in your livewell.

Take a minute to look them up on fishbase.org or google the images, and you'll know all the species in a matter of minutes.
Oh my gosh ! I guess i won'tuse the names hardtail, skipjack and Ling either.
 

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Menhaden:



Scaled Sardine ("LY"):



Threadfin Herring:



Moon fish (crazy fish):



Leather Jacket (Leather Jack / Leather Back? / Pain in my ass):

 

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This is a great post and I think it illustrates how these fish (at least the top two) could be easily mistaken. I know when I started out I had a hard time figuring out that some fish went by different several different names.
 

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Oh my gosh ! I guess i won'tuse the names hardtail, skipjack and Ling either.



And never mention catching a dolphin within earshot of a non angler or turista. :nonono



I still have a time IDing all these bait fish.
 

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I contacted Marine Fisheries today...this would be our best guess of what is refferred to as an "LY" here. LY is slang for a "alewive" which is a northeren Atlantic bait, North of the Carolinas

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top>Category:</TD><TD vAlign=bottom>Saltwater Fish - Saltwater Fish Catalog</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Image Title:</TD><TD vAlign=bottom>Herrings
Scaled Sardine</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<SPAN class=basebold>Scaled Sardine - Harengula jaguana

Family Clupeidae, HERRINGS

Description: solid back with dark streaks, usually single small dark spot at upper edge of opercule and sometimes one at shoulder

Where found: North Gulf of Mexico to Brazil

Size: up to 18"

Remarks: commonly caught with strings of wire loops
 

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so..which one is a GREEN BACK then?....

and yeah you are right those Leather Jacket yellow fins area pain in the ^%$#@..... it easy can ruin ya a solid hr. of fishing.
 

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Fishermon (9/2/2008)so..which one is a GREEN BACK then?....

and yeah you are right those Leather Jacket yellow fins area pain in the ^%$#@..... it easy can ruin ya a solid hr. of fishing.
The scaled sardine (LY) is the one also referred to as a "green back".

Menhaden are also referred to as "pogies" over in MS and LA
 

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Capt. Bob Quarles (9/1/2008)There arefour different species of fish that are commonly mis-identified as an LY.. the term LY is southern slang for alewife which is a northeast Atlantic fish that we don't even have around here..you should never, ever use the term LY! It's totally inaccurate,incorrect and thereis no species offish in the literature with that name.

Take a minute to look them up on fishbase.org or google the images, and you'll know all the species in a matter of minutes.
Does this also mean we shoud "never, ever use the terms" LING, MINGO, BEELINER, WHITE SNAPPER, BLACK SNAPPER, SKIP JACK, WHITE TROUT, or BONITO"?

If you want to really get technical a "redfish" is actually a "red drum", but nobody calls it that.
 
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