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Well according to BP, we'll be waiting until August 14th for the last resort to even pan out. That's their target date for the relief well. By then, it will be too late, the entire Gulf will be full of oil. The Obama Administration needs to put this under primary Federal control and call in the DOD. They can't possibly screw it up any more than BP already has. I'll put my money on the American people and our military to solve this. At least I'd rather have our people fail at something than to stand around another 2 1/2 months and watch a foreign oil company slowly kill off the Gulf of Mexico.
 

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The Feds should have yanked the control away from BP as soon as the first hint of them being in over there head not to mention controlling a crime scene (yes if you are negligent and it causes death thats a crime). But the gov says that BP is better suited for stopping the leak then anyone else just ask em.

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What, if anything is the Navy going to do about this? BP is much better equipped to handle this than the Navy or the Federal Govt.
 

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Gee what can the navy do about that BP cant... let me think first it wouldnt be the navy but the USCG in chargesince they are mandated to control oil spills... How about take over the scene away from BP, maybe take over BP's assets??? Maybe get with some of the marine institutions that have offered to help and give there expertise (<a href="http://oilspill.fsu.edu">http://oilspill.fsu.edu</a>) which BP has rejected along with all 700 hunderd other offers of assistance?? Oh and let me see and i think that Gov is suppose to maintain files on contigincy plans for this and there are other oil companies besides the one that created this mess that can take over. And actually the military prbably could take over since we stopped those nasty oil well fires way back when in Kuwait... Actually what i expect the Gov to do is to take over like they are suppose to..34 days do you really think BP gives two shits...imean really?? BP has lied and liedat every contention, and the gov unfortunatly has gone along with it.5k barrelswe promise.... noits just not safe bringing another agancies ROV down there right now but we will get back withya. We cant show you how much oil is coming out because we are just more interested in stopping the flow. They are pissing on all of our backs and calling it rain and they should NOT BE IN CHARGE ON A FEDERAL DISASTER THAT THEY CREATED!!
 

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samiams, I couldn't agree with you more. You nailed it. BP is more worried about how to contain their investment than the oil spill. I think the agenda is not what it should be. We can put a man on the moon but can't stop this? I doubt that.
 

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The bottom line is BP is calling all of the shots. The most important thing to BP is to preserve their well in the Gulf. Their hole in the gulf is more important to them than anything. This deal would be done already if they were not trying to save the well. They are letting LA get trashed with oil. They threaten reporters with arrest when they don't leave. BP is more powerful than the Coast Guard and for that matter the president. How can a dispersant be banned in England for 10 years but our EPA lets them spray it like its soda all over the Gulf.Our fishing areas are getting smaller everyday here, our marsh is getting ruined and the ARMY CORP wont even issue a permit for a state to protect it's own coast with snad burms.This will not be like the Valdez alot of oil showing up all at once. It will come for many years a bit at a time for TX to FL. If you haven't seen it yet its coming. Unless BP orders the NAVY in they ain't comin. BP = Big Polluter or Best Poison.
 

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<span style="font-weight: bold;">Well, first off the Navy can put people down there. Not [email protected] robots. And, those people can set conventional explosives to blow straight down and melt the inner steel of the well bore. That's what I think they'll end up doing.<span style="font-weight: bold;"> Just why they haven't done it yet is my only question.<br style="font-weight: bold;">

<span style="font-weight: bold;">"DSV Sea Cliff<div id="bodyContent"><h3 id="siteSub">DSV-4 (ex-Sea Cliff) is a 25-ton, manned deep-ocean research submersible owned by the United States Navy. It is sister to DSV-3 Turtle, Alvin (DSV-2), and also an Alvin class Deep Submergence Vehicle. The Sea Cliff was retired from active service in 1998. Per the Naval Vessel Register [1], DSV-4 was returned to active service on September 30, 2002. It is known only by its hull number, not by name.</h3><p style="font-weight: bold;">The DSV-4 originally had a maximum dive depth of 6500 feet (2000 m), like all Alvin-class DSVs at first. It was redesigned to dive to 20,000 feet, and refitted in 1984. With the refit of DSV-4, DSV-1 (ex-Trieste II) was retired from service. It has a hatch 24inches in diameter, and held in place mechanically with hatch dogs and while submerged by the pressure of the water above it (it is tapered, narrower inward). The Alvin-class DSVs were designed to replace older DSVs, such as the less maneuverable Trieste-class bathyscaphes. The DSV-4 can dive 5,000 feet further than the famed Alvin, however the super Alvin class replacement for DSV-2 is designed to dive to 22,000 feet."</p><span style="font-weight: bold;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSV_Sea_Cliff
 

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The NAVY can put BELLS down there with people in them... I don't know that there's much difference now with the things ROVs can do.

Believe it or not, the are working on "pilotless" airliners too.

I'd like to think a "bell" is better, but I have no idea if that's true.

With the frequency of ROV's used by the oil industry, they may have an advantage in technology. At least for "medium -deep" operations like this. I'd bet the NAVY or a research group like "Woods Hole"does better for ultra deep ROVs

By the way... jobs are sometimes available at very good salaries for ROV operators. ($70 an hour rings a bell, but it's one of those 14 days on14 days off kind of a job and mistakes are frowned on because it costs a FORTUNE to replace an ROV).

That last paragraph is based on second hand rumor though.

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If the Navy could fix this problem, they would have already. What happens when your explosive idea doesn't react as planned, and the well opens up instead of closing? Then who is to blame?

I still think that BP is the best option for shutting this thing down although I am sure that there are those who disagree.
 

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<span style="font-weight: bold;">I think BP is probably best option too, however the American people aren't going to wait 2 1/2 months. Patience is not a virtue of the American culture as a whole, especially when they are getting oil poured over their heads.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">They're going to be forced to federalize this if the Top Kill doesn't work, and t<span style="font-weight: bold;">he only real federal response is to call on the Dept. of Defense, and the ocean falls under the <span style="font-weight: bold;">Dept. of the <span style="font-weight: bold;">Navy.
 

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Exploding a good well head mean loss of any way to every stop flow.

Remember all the Iraq Oil well fires and the 8 month it took to put the fires out and 2-1/2 to bring under control.

Leave the job to the pros. How many BOPs, cement frac pumper tanker,or Barrels of 20lbs Mud does the navy have ready.

People need to hammer the WhiteHouse to Hold a inquery/court marshall on BPheads.
 

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billfishguy17 (25/05/2010)The bottom line is BP is calling all of the shots. The most important thing to BP is to preserve their well in the Gulf. Their hole in the gulf is more important to them than anything. This deal would be done already if they were not trying to save the well. They are letting LA get trashed with oil. They threaten reporters with arrest when they don't leave. BP is more powerful than the Coast Guard and for that matter the president. How can a dispersant be banned in England for 10 years but our EPA lets them spray it like its soda all over the Gulf.Our fishing areas are getting smaller everyday here, our marsh is getting ruined and the ARMY CORP wont even issue a permit for a state to protect it's own coast with snad burms.This will not be like the Valdez alot of oil showing up all at once. It will come for many years a bit at a time for TX to FL. If you haven't seen it yet its coming. Unless BP orders the NAVY in they ain't comin. BP = Big Polluter or Best Poison.
Nice post, I agree 100%. BP is running the show, not Obama, not the USCG, and not the US Navy. BP is more worried about their well head then they are about our beaches and wildlife. And with BP being Obama's biggest campaign contributor, BP will continue to run the show.
 

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There is NO WAY the Navy or any other country can put a man down 5000 feet It's never been done anywhere near that depth. The only way anything can be done is by remote control (like it is being done now) with ROVs. And the oil company's are the only ones that have the TYPE of ROVs that do that kind of work on those rigs. It would be a bigger joke if the government took it over because they have NO experience in that field. :doh
 

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"BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federalcandidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of theirmoney going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics" <div style="border: medium none ; overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none;" id="TixyyLink">



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html
 

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"BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federalcandidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of theirmoney going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics" <div style="border: medium none; overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none;" id="TixyyLink">



<a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html</a>

That would mean the he is the one they gave the most to, that does not make them his largest contributor.
 
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