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Didn't see a medical section, thought about posting in the politics section but wasn't sure.

So a couple of questions:
If the supreme court reverses Roe V Wade,

Does that make it illegal to have, or perform, an abortion in America?

Does the Government pay for it now?

Does it mean the Government won't pay for it?

Why is the government even involved in medical care, if everyone has medical care (Obamacare)?

Why do gay people even care?

My body my choice? Does that apply to mandatory COVID vaccines?
 

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I did read where the canuks have sent an open invite to anyone wanting an abortion. Just have to prove you're deloused (covid vaxed) to get across the border. Then you may only have to wait 6 months but the did send the invite. Those crazy canuks.
 

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Does that make it illegal to have, or perform, an abortion in America?
The too long; didn’t read version is the current Supreme Court is saying that since the constitution doesn’t say abortion is a right, the states, not the federal government should decide if it is legal. That has very far reaching implications I'll touch on later. Let's be clear, abortions will still happen because desperate people will resort to desperate measures, it will just take the form of far more dangerous methods which means women will die unnecessarily. This also means the states sets the rules. Not just a yes/no, but how far are they going to take it? States are passing laws that are written with language specifically putting mothers at risk of jail time for natural miscarriages. If you're raped and get pregnant, not only do you have to carry that baby to term but the rapist has parental rights, so guess who they will get to see on a weekly basis or more for the next 18 years and 9 months?


Does the Government pay for it now? Does it mean the Government won't pay for it?
Using federal funds for abortions has been explicitly ILLEGAL since 1977, so no the US government isn't paying a dime for abortions and hasn't done so in 45 years. On a personal note a close friend of mine was pregnant and found out their baby would not survive when they midway through the pregnancy. Organs were out of place, there were a lot of complications and multiple doctors gave them a 0% chance of survival and a significant risk of deadly infection to the mother. But they had tricare which cannot be used for an abortion, and although the baby wouldn't survive, government insurance would not cover it. So they had a choice, cut a $20,000 check, lose the baby and save the mom, or stick with the pregnancy for several more months, put the mom at risk, lose the baby, and save the money. That's a pretty shitty choice to make when you're living in what we all like to call the greatest country in the world.


Why is the government even involved in medical care, if everyone has medical care (Obamacare)?
First of all, 30 million Americans don't have any health insurance and 43% of adults from 19-64 are underinsured. So if you pay a few thousand dollars for insurance but you have an annual $10,000 deductible to hit before the insurance pays a single dime, are you really covered by insurance? So I don't know where you get the idea that everyone is setup with medical care. And the last president and past few congresses have done a pretty effective job at undermining the AHCA insurance programs hoping that the program will collapse. The government is involved because they recognize health care is important, and insurance companies are there to make money. So if you're born with an expensive condition? They don't have to cover you. That's kind of a bummer to put it lightly. The United States is the only country in the developed world that doesn't have universal healthcare, which puts us on par with Egypt, Pakistan, Nigeria, Yemen, Syria, etc. So the better question is why are we the only country that has our shit together but doesn't have universal healthcare? FWIW Medicare, the government healthcare provided to seniors 65 and older has a 94% satisfaction rating.


Why do gay people even care?
It seems like a shockingly flippant way of asking "Why should you give a damn about the rights of your fellow citizens?" But to answer your question, the logic SCOTUS is using is that since the constitution doesn't say abortion is a right, therefore it's up to the states to allow or ban. The really the dangerous part for minority groups is what else isn’t specifically mentioned by the constitution? Gay marriage can go back to being banned and homosexuality can go back to being criminalized. Their right to adopt children is at risk. Their protection against hate crimes can go away. They’re the next ones up on the block to lose their fundamental rights as a human being. Can you blame them for being concerned about that?
Straight people should also be concerned. The civil rights act is just as vulnerable. If Florida wants to go back to separate but equal or banning interracial marriages, that has a set precedent in the highest court. States can ban any form of birth control. This is why this potential ruling is such a big deal and can have massive, massive consequences. EStates across the country are writing bills to criminalize miscarriages. Imagine that, you lose the baby and you're going to jail. If a family member is raped and gets pregnant, they have to carry it all the way to term.


My body my choice? Does that apply to mandatory COVID vaccines?
Well yes, but your rights have some limits. Mandatory vaccines have always been recognized as valid because your refusal to get vaccinated can put public health in jeopardy and harm others. You had to show proof of vaccination to attend public school, it's nothing new. There are religious exemptions, but we're talking religious beliefs not convinient political beliefs. Just like you don't have the right to ignore stop signs, just like your right to free speech doesn't allow you to spread libel or threats, just like your right to bear arms doesn't mean you can buy a B-2 bomber or a nuclear bomb, freedom of religion doesn't mean you can make human sacrifices, etc etc.
But yes there is bodily autonomy. If you need a blood transfusion or organ transplant to save your life, you have to have a voluntary donor. You can have a perfect match from a dead body right next to you, whose lifesaving organs will turn to worm food in a few hours, and it still doesn't matter, you cannot take those organs without permission. I can walk into the hospital be asked to donate whatever to save your life, and I have every right to say no. On the flip side, I can offer you life saving treatment and you can refuse it. Why? Because the government cannot compel your medical treatments.
It's also worth noting that it's completely legal for a parent to pull the plug on a living, breathing, brain dead child. But a clump of cells will be more protected than a person? It's also remarkable how quickly male abortion opponents will talk about protecting those unborn children, but then vote against health care, social services, public health versions, school safety, education funding, and literally everything else designed to help that child. But that might be getting off track.

The other significant consequence is it’s also another case of politicians and government leaders in power not being held accountable. All the justices in the court went though senate hearings where they swore under oath that they believe that Roe v Wade was settled law. They very clearly lied. That's perjury. You’re getting into a situation where the Suprime court is undermined by conflict of interest, perjury and political meddling. The SCOTUS is supposed to be the most powerful check against politicians, and that means fuck all now. So when the courts are corrupted and not held accountable, the legislature gerrymanders and tears down voting rights to cement their power against the will of the majority and they aren't held accountable, and the executive branch isn't held accountable after attempting a coup and other clear constitutional violations, where do you think that leads to? History shows that when peaceful means fail, the will of the people takes a non-peaceful form, and that's not good for anyone.
 

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Does that make it illegal to have, or perform, an abortion in America?
The too long; didn’t read version is the current Supreme Court is saying that since the constitution doesn’t say abortion is a right, the states, not the federal government should decide if it is legal. That has very far reaching implications I'll touch on later. Let's be clear, abortions will still happen because desperate people will resort to desperate measures, it will just take the form of far more dangerous methods which means women will die unnecessarily. This also means the states sets the rules. Not just a yes/no, but how far are they going to take it? States are passing laws that are written with language specifically putting mothers at risk of jail time for natural miscarriages. If you're raped and get pregnant, not only do you have to carry that baby to term but the rapist has parental rights, so guess who they will get to see on a weekly basis or more for the next 18 years and 9 months?


Does the Government pay for it now? Does it mean the Government won't pay for it?
Using federal funds for abortions has been explicitly ILLEGAL since 1977, so no the US government isn't paying a dime for abortions and hasn't done so in 45 years. On a personal note a close friend of mine was pregnant and found out their baby would not survive when they midway through the pregnancy. Organs were out of place, there were a lot of complications and multiple doctors gave them a 0% chance of survival and a significant risk of deadly infection to the mother. But they had tricare which cannot be used for an abortion, and although the baby wouldn't survive, government insurance would not cover it. So they had a choice, cut a $20,000 check, lose the baby and save the mom, or stick with the pregnancy for several more months, put the mom at risk, lose the baby, and save the money. That's a pretty shitty choice to make when you're living in what we all like to call the greatest country in the world.


Why is the government even involved in medical care, if everyone has medical care (Obamacare)?
First of all, 30 million Americans don't have any health insurance and 43% of adults from 19-64 are underinsured. So if you pay a few thousand dollars for insurance but you have an annual $10,000 deductible to hit before the insurance pays a single dime, are you really covered by insurance? So I don't know where you get the idea that everyone is setup with medical care. And the last president and past few congresses have done a pretty effective job at undermining the AHCA insurance programs hoping that the program will collapse. The government is involved because they recognize health care is important, and insurance companies are there to make money. So if you're born with an expensive condition? They don't have to cover you. That's kind of a bummer to put it lightly. The United States is the only country in the developed world that doesn't have universal healthcare, which puts us on par with Egypt, Pakistan, Nigeria, Yemen, Syria, etc. So the better question is why are we the only country that has our shit together but doesn't have universal healthcare? FWIW Medicare, the government healthcare provided to seniors 65 and older has a 94% satisfaction rating.


Why do gay people even care?
It seems like a shockingly flippant way of asking "Why should you give a damn about the rights of your fellow citizens?" But to answer your question, the logic SCOTUS is using is that since the constitution doesn't say abortion is a right, therefore it's up to the states to allow or ban. The really the dangerous part for minority groups is what else isn’t specifically mentioned by the constitution? Gay marriage can go back to being banned and homosexuality can go back to being criminalized. Their right to adopt children is at risk. Their protection against hate crimes can go away. They’re the next ones up on the block to lose their fundamental rights as a human being. Can you blame them for being concerned about that?
Straight people should also be concerned. The civil rights act is just as vulnerable. If Florida wants to go back to separate but equal or banning interracial marriages, that has a set precedent in the highest court. States can ban any form of birth control. This is why this potential ruling is such a big deal and can have massive, massive consequences. EStates across the country are writing bills to criminalize miscarriages. Imagine that, you lose the baby and you're going to jail. If a family member is raped and gets pregnant, they have to carry it all the way to term.


My body my choice? Does that apply to mandatory COVID vaccines?
Well yes, but your rights have some limits. Mandatory vaccines have always been recognized as valid because your refusal to get vaccinated can put public health in jeopardy and harm others. You had to show proof of vaccination to attend public school, it's nothing new. There are religious exemptions, but we're talking religious beliefs not convinient political beliefs. Just like you don't have the right to ignore stop signs, just like your right to free speech doesn't allow you to spread libel or threats, just like your right to bear arms doesn't mean you can buy a B-2 bomber or a nuclear bomb, freedom of religion doesn't mean you can make human sacrifices, etc etc.
But yes there is bodily autonomy. If you need a blood transfusion or organ transplant to save your life, you have to have a voluntary donor. You can have a perfect match from a dead body right next to you, whose lifesaving organs will turn to worm food in a few hours, and it still doesn't matter, you cannot take those organs without permission. I can walk into the hospital be asked to donate whatever to save your life, and I have every right to say no. On the flip side, I can offer you life saving treatment and you can refuse it. Why? Because the government cannot compel your medical treatments.
It's also worth noting that it's completely legal for a parent to pull the plug on a living, breathing, brain dead child. But a clump of cells will be more protected than a person? It's also remarkable how quickly male abortion opponents will talk about protecting those unborn children, but then vote against health care, social services, public health versions, school safety, education funding, and literally everything else designed to help that child. But that might be getting off track.

The other significant consequence is it’s also another case of politicians and government leaders in power not being held accountable. All the justices in the court went though senate hearings where they swore under oath that they believe that Roe v Wade was settled law. They very clearly lied. That's perjury. You’re getting into a situation where the Suprime court is undermined by conflict of interest, perjury and political meddling. The SCOTUS is supposed to be the most powerful check against politicians, and that means fuck all now. So when the courts are corrupted and not held accountable, the legislature gerrymanders and tears down voting rights to cement their power against the will of the majority and they aren't held accountable, and the executive branch isn't held accountable after attempting a coup and other clear constitutional violations, where do you think that leads to? History shows that when peaceful means fail, the will of the people takes a non-peaceful form, and that's not good for anyone.

can you publish cliffs notes for this dissertation? I can't focus that long...
 

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The government has been paying for abortions for years through the hundreds of millions of dollars given to Planned Parenthood. PP is the largest provider of abortion services in the world.
and selling the body parts on the side , wonder how many babies gave their spinal fluid to go into nancy pelosi's face ?
 

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Does that make it illegal to have, or perform, an abortion in America?
The too long; didn’t read version is the current Supreme Court is saying that since the constitution doesn’t say abortion is a right, the states, not the federal government should decide if it is legal. That has very far reaching implications I'll touch on later. Let's be clear, abortions will still happen because desperate people will resort to desperate measures, it will just take the form of far more dangerous methods which means women will die unnecessarily. This also means the states sets the rules. Not just a yes/no, but how far are they going to take it? States are passing laws that are written with language specifically putting mothers at risk of jail time for natural miscarriages. If you're raped and get pregnant, not only do you have to carry that baby to term but the rapist has parental rights, so guess who they will get to see on a weekly basis or more for the next 18 years and 9 months?


Does the Government pay for it now? Does it mean the Government won't pay for it?
Using federal funds for abortions has been explicitly ILLEGAL since 1977, so no the US government isn't paying a dime for abortions and hasn't done so in 45 years. On a personal note a close friend of mine was pregnant and found out their baby would not survive when they midway through the pregnancy. Organs were out of place, there were a lot of complications and multiple doctors gave them a 0% chance of survival and a significant risk of deadly infection to the mother. But they had tricare which cannot be used for an abortion, and although the baby wouldn't survive, government insurance would not cover it. So they had a choice, cut a $20,000 check, lose the baby and save the mom, or stick with the pregnancy for several more months, put the mom at risk, lose the baby, and save the money. That's a pretty shitty choice to make when you're living in what we all like to call the greatest country in the world.


Why is the government even involved in medical care, if everyone has medical care (Obamacare)?
First of all, 30 million Americans don't have any health insurance and 43% of adults from 19-64 are underinsured. So if you pay a few thousand dollars for insurance but you have an annual $10,000 deductible to hit before the insurance pays a single dime, are you really covered by insurance? So I don't know where you get the idea that everyone is setup with medical care. And the last president and past few congresses have done a pretty effective job at undermining the AHCA insurance programs hoping that the program will collapse. The government is involved because they recognize health care is important, and insurance companies are there to make money. So if you're born with an expensive condition? They don't have to cover you. That's kind of a bummer to put it lightly. The United States is the only country in the developed world that doesn't have universal healthcare, which puts us on par with Egypt, Pakistan, Nigeria, Yemen, Syria, etc. So the better question is why are we the only country that has our shit together but doesn't have universal healthcare? FWIW Medicare, the government healthcare provided to seniors 65 and older has a 94% satisfaction rating.


Why do gay people even care?
It seems like a shockingly flippant way of asking "Why should you give a damn about the rights of your fellow citizens?" But to answer your question, the logic SCOTUS is using is that since the constitution doesn't say abortion is a right, therefore it's up to the states to allow or ban. The really the dangerous part for minority groups is what else isn’t specifically mentioned by the constitution? Gay marriage can go back to being banned and homosexuality can go back to being criminalized. Their right to adopt children is at risk. Their protection against hate crimes can go away. They’re the next ones up on the block to lose their fundamental rights as a human being. Can you blame them for being concerned about that?
Straight people should also be concerned. The civil rights act is just as vulnerable. If Florida wants to go back to separate but equal or banning interracial marriages, that has a set precedent in the highest court. States can ban any form of birth control. This is why this potential ruling is such a big deal and can have massive, massive consequences. EStates across the country are writing bills to criminalize miscarriages. Imagine that, you lose the baby and you're going to jail. If a family member is raped and gets pregnant, they have to carry it all the way to term.


My body my choice? Does that apply to mandatory COVID vaccines?
Well yes, but your rights have some limits. Mandatory vaccines have always been recognized as valid because your refusal to get vaccinated can put public health in jeopardy and harm others. You had to show proof of vaccination to attend public school, it's nothing new. There are religious exemptions, but we're talking religious beliefs not convinient political beliefs. Just like you don't have the right to ignore stop signs, just like your right to free speech doesn't allow you to spread libel or threats, just like your right to bear arms doesn't mean you can buy a B-2 bomber or a nuclear bomb, freedom of religion doesn't mean you can make human sacrifices, etc etc.
But yes there is bodily autonomy. If you need a blood transfusion or organ transplant to save your life, you have to have a voluntary donor. You can have a perfect match from a dead body right next to you, whose lifesaving organs will turn to worm food in a few hours, and it still doesn't matter, you cannot take those organs without permission. I can walk into the hospital be asked to donate whatever to save your life, and I have every right to say no. On the flip side, I can offer you life saving treatment and you can refuse it. Why? Because the government cannot compel your medical treatments.
It's also worth noting that it's completely legal for a parent to pull the plug on a living, breathing, brain dead child. But a clump of cells will be more protected than a person? It's also remarkable how quickly male abortion opponents will talk about protecting those unborn children, but then vote against health care, social services, public health versions, school safety, education funding, and literally everything else designed to help that child. But that might be getting off track.

The other significant consequence is it’s also another case of politicians and government leaders in power not being held accountable. All the justices in the court went though senate hearings where they swore under oath that they believe that Roe v Wade was settled law. They very clearly lied. That's perjury. You’re getting into a situation where the Suprime court is undermined by conflict of interest, perjury and political meddling. The SCOTUS is supposed to be the most powerful check against politicians, and that means fuck all now. So when the courts are corrupted and not held accountable, the legislature gerrymanders and tears down voting rights to cement their power against the will of the majority and they aren't held accountable, and the executive branch isn't held accountable after attempting a coup and other clear constitutional violations, where do you think that leads to? History shows that when peaceful means fail, the will of the people takes a non-peaceful form, and that's not good for anyone.
Don't you ever get tired of trying to convince people that the government knows better than the individual and that evil is good?
 

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it's beyond ridiculous that the left has turned this into another reason to riot, harass churchgoers and SCOTUS. It doesn't take a genius to read the Constitution and the Amendments and determine that NOWHERE in there is ANYTHING concerning abortion. Ginsburg was right. It belongs at the state level and the original Roe vs Wade ruling was wrong. 1. If SCOTUS were to correctly rule, they'd have determined when is a life, a life? 2. Again, since this doesn't involve the Constitution, then it belongs at the state level. This is the ONLY reason states like TX have created very strong anti abortion laws...to force SCOTUS to make a decision. By the way, this will NOT stop/hinder any woman from getting an abortion. Groups like Planned Parenthood will pay for the abortion, even if it means flying women to Hawaii to get one. Until EVERY state determines that if a pregnant woman is murdered, then only ONE life is lost, abortion is still technically murder. This whole "my body my choice" crap doesn't apply to murder.
 

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Any chance this "Leak" happened to influence the Mid Term elections? Polarize the left that may have been not so happy with the way their Presidents economy is?
I'd expect (hope I'm wrong) a shooting or two between now and then too.... But then again, I don't think they've doe any gun laws snice having the whole pickle barrel, have they?

I look at just about everything through "squinted eyes..."
 
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