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I have (4) sealed tubs of E-Pharm Nutriitons Test Force V2 for sale.


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"TestForce2 contains the most soluble form of d-aspartic acid combined with another remarkable amino acid known as sarcosine. This combination provides results clearly superior to other d-aspartic acid product formulations.


In case you aren’t aware, d-aspartic acid is the hottest supplement ingredient on the market right now. It has more scientific literature supporting its ability to act as a natural regulator of anabolic hormone (i.e. testosterone, growth hormone) release in the body than any supplement ingredient EVER.

E-Pharm was the company to bring you the premium form of d-aspartic acid – d-aspartate calcium chelate. This form is more than 75 times as water soluble as regular d-aspartic acid and soluble over a wide pH range. This ensures the most rapid and complete absorption possible. And now E-Pharm has taken the lead in d-aspartic acid technology again with the patent pending addition of the amino acid sarcosine.

Please allow me to explain why the inclusion of sarcosine is so vital to getting the most out of d-aspartic acid.

Why Sarcosine?
Let me start with some background. When d-aspartic acid (DAA) is ingested it is absorbed into the body and taken up preferentially by endocrine tissues such as the hypothalamus, pituitary, and testicles. There it stimulates the activity of what are known as NMDA receptors. NMDA receptors are located on neurons and they regulate neuronal activity. DAA binds to a specific docking site (receptor) located on the NMDA receptor known as NMDA binding site.


In the hypothalamus the stimulation of NMDA receptors leads to the production of gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH). GnRH then stimulates the pituitary gland to release luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). LH and FSH then in turn travel to the testicles to initiate the process of steroidogenesis, which leads eventually to the release of testosterone into the blood stream. Stimulation of NMDA receptors in the hypothalamus also leads to the release of growth hormone releasing hormone (GHRH) which in turn promotes the release of growth hormone from the pituitary gland.

So the key here is the NMDA receptor. The more you activate this receptor in the hypothalamus the greater the release of GnRH and GHRH, and ultimately testosterone and growth hormone.
The NMDA receptor is somewhat unique in that it requires activation by two ligands (a ligand is like a “key” to a receptor). In the hypothalamus the main ligand for the NMDA receptor is d-aspartic acid. The secondary ligand (or co-activator) is the amino acid glycine. Both DAA and glycine have specific binding sites on the NMDA receptor. These sites are known as the NMDA binding site and the glycine binding site respectively. Think of it this way - just like how firing a nuclear missile requires two soldiers to turn two separate keys, so the NMDA receptor requires binding by two ligands to initiate its influence on the firing of a neuronal signal.

So to review, administration of DAA leads to it’s uptake into the hypothalamus and binding to the NMDA receptors there. And to activate the NMDA receptor you also require adequate levels of ligands that bind to the glycine site of the NMDA receptor. Now common sense would lead one to assume that by ingesting supplemental amounts of glycine would ensure that glycine site co-activation is ensured. However the scientific literature has shown that this method has limited efficacy.

The reason that glycine administration is not very effective at stimulating NMDA activity is not completely straight forward, but one reason is because it is efficiently removed from the synapses by the reuptake regulator Glycine Transporter 1 (GT1).

Interestingly, much of the science published on the subject of stimulation of NMDA receptor activity revolves around the theory that NMDA receptor hypo-activity is a causative factor in schizophrenia. For years scientists have been investigating ways to stimulate NMDA activity as a means for treating schizophrenic patients. One of the most effective strategies has been through targeting the GT1 protein. And one of the most efficient means to do this is actually through supplementation with sarcosine.

Of course we aren’t concerned about treating schizophrenia here, what we are concerned with is maximally stimulating natural production of testosterone (or growth hormone). But the mechanism in question is exactly the same for both purposes. By blocking the re-uptake of glycine you increase the concentration of glycine in neuronal synapses, and therefore increase the influence of NMDA upon nerve transmission. In essence this is the exact way some anti-depressants (such as SSRIs) work, except the goal there is to increase binding and activating of serotonin or dopamine receptors, not NMDA receptors.

Blocking glycine reuptake is not the only mechanism through which sarcosine stimulates DAA activity. Sarcosine actually can itself bind to the glycine binding site of NMDA receptors. In fact, it binds with a higher affinity than even glycine. So basically it replaces glycine as well as serves as its own reuptake inhibitor. It totally solves the glycine co-activation issue in one shot.

Knowing all these facts you can see why sarcosine produces a rather dramatic effect on NMDA neuronal transmission compared to glycine itself, or other endogenous ligands for the glycine receptor such as d-serine.

Conclusion
To summarize, for d-aspartic acid to work to its maximum potential it must be taken with an efficient stimulator of the glycine binding site on the NMDA receptor. The most efficient non-drug stimulator we know of is the natural amino acid sarcosine.

TestForce2 contains 3 grams of d-aspartic acid (as d-aspartate calcium chelate) and 3 grams of sarcosine per serving. It also is flavored with a light fruit punch flavor and slightly sweetened to provide a very pleasurable taste experience. It dissolves almost instantly.
So if you like d-aspartic acid you will love TestForce2. And if you were one of the few “non-responders” to d-aspartic acid then you will also love TestForce2 because you will no longer be a non-responder. You would be a fool to settle for any other d-aspartic acid supplement."

All (4) tubs for $80. (That's $20 a piece....and a considerable discount on online pricing).

Tim - 324-7511
 

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Save your money, all these supplements they try to sell these day are complete bullshit. I would highly advise nobody to ever put anything into their bodies that messes with hormones. People make billions selling crap like this to kids trying to get big.
 

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Save your money, all these supplements they try to sell these day are complete bullshit. I would highly advise nobody to ever put anything into their bodies that messes with hormones. People make billions selling crap like this to kids trying to get big.
For the most part, I tend to agree with you. However, there is a handful of supplements on the market that do actually work as advertised. This product consist of key amino amino acids that have studies backing them up.

Also, this product is made in a cGMP facility......and was formulated by an actual chemist....a famous one at that. Although famous for something a lot of people might look down on him for.

Thanks for the unecessary bump though.
 

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I've been around this kinda stuff for a long time and have seen kids ruin their bodies. Nothing against you, Its just very unhealthy to take anything that artificially increases your testosterone levels. People ruin their livers, get bitch tits and wonder were their muscles go when they stop taking supplement like this. I have friends that would show up to the gym for years with thousands of dollars in supplements, now they have liver problems, gyno and their faces are puffy from all the water is putting into your muscles. One of my friends even talks like a girl. If you want to build muscle fast and keep it all you gotta do is change your diet.
 

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Save your money, all these supplements they try to sell these day are complete bullshit. I would highly advise nobody to ever put anything into their bodies that messes with hormones. People make billions selling crap like this to kids trying to get big.
I just wanted to touch on this again. For the most part, supplements are marketed, worthless crap. However, some products are legit....like your fish oil, beta-alanine, creatine mono (don't fall for the hype of others), protein, amino acids, various forms of vitamins (D3/B12), and a few others.

I've personally drastically reduced my cholesterol naturally after deciding not to take Crestor. Personally 3-5g of EPA/DHA (fish oil), 1g Olive Leaf Extract & 1g Celery Seed Extract.
 

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I've been around this kinda stuff for a long time and have seen kids ruin their bodies. Nothing against you, Its just very unhealthy to take anything that artificially increases your testosterone levels. People ruin their livers, get bitch tits and wonder were their muscles go when they stop taking supplement like this. I have friends that would show up to the gym for years with thousands of dollars in supplements, now they have liver problems, gyno and their faces are puffy from all the water is putting into your muscles. One of my friends even talks like a girl. If you want to build muscle fast and keep it all you gotta do is change your diet.
Your exactly right....and that stuff happens (or should I say did). What you were experiencing was the designer steroids/prohormone boom. A lot of people don't know, but in the 90's and up until recently REAL steroids could be purchased all over the internet....and in stores such as GNC. Do you remember product like Pinnacle Poppers? VPX Gangsta Test? M1-T? Heck there was even an injectible steroid GNC sold. All these products were marketed as test boosters, and sold to anyone 16 and above. This was and is very dangerous, and can mess up people for good. Times have since changed (as of recently) with the Anabolic Steroid Control Act. New products are being added all the time to the Schedule III drug list. Heck just do a google search and you will see the DEA/FDA raid that was performed on Bodybuilding.Com warehouses. New laws have been put in place to keep these products off the market. Also, cGMP guidelines now must be meet...and all products must be manufactured following these guidelines. In short, all this does it lessen the amounts of products that actually work. In the future you will see great marketing ads promising the world, when in fact it's getting harder and harder to produce anything that actually works.
 

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is this a fairly new product?
I think it came out about a year ago or so. The gentleman who created the product is actually Patrick Arnold (The Balco Chemist). If you're not sure who that is, he developed the "Clear". This is the steroid that Barry Bonds and other famous sports athletes used to get past drug test. He's since done his time in prison, and developes some of the best supplements on the market. Due to the science behind his work, and what he has to lose, he's one of the few I would trust in the industry.

With that said, don't expect steroid like gains...because it won't happen. However, if you have your diet in check, and put time in the gym...you will see enhanced results. One of the biggest things I noticed was a much improved libido.
 

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I'm not saying it won't work, just that it's not heathly. Nothing that artificially produces testosterone is heathly, legal or not. First off like most testosterone boosters if taken in excess it can easily lead to exitotoxicity, which can destroy nuerons in your brain and cause psycosis. Second like any testosterone booster, sarcosine causes the prostate to enlarge dramatically which leads to cancer further down the road. Then you have to deal with the increased estrogen and that's a whole nother story. I can go on and on, but my bottom line is it isn't healthy. People don't try to make things safe, they try to make them legal. Similar to fake weed and bath salts, scientist change a chemicals around and make legal weed and cocaine. It's not safe but it's legal.
 

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I'm not saying it won't work, just that it's not heathly. Nothing that artificially produces testosterone is heathly, legal or not. First off like most testosterone boosters if taken in excess it can easily lead to exitotoxicity, which can destroy nuerons in your brain and cause psycosis. Second like any testosterone booster, sarcosine causes the prostate to enlarge dramatically which leads to cancer further down the road. Then you have to deal with the increased estrogen and that's a whole nother story. I can go on and on, but my bottom line is it isn't healthy. People don't try to make things safe, they try to make them legal. Similar to fake weed and bath salts, scientist change a chemicals around and make legal weed and cocaine. It's not safe but it's legal.
Well DAA is natural and already present in the body, so it's not one of the altered chemicals you speak of (which do exist).

As for all the studies concering sarcosine and prostate enlargement/cancer, everything regarding this is inconclusive. With that said, if you have prostate cancer you shouldnt be taking testforce2, but then again you shouldnt be taking any test booster.

Some people have naturally very high sarcosine levels (people with sarcosinemia) and these people have never demonstrated any adverse events compared to the general population .

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DAA is found in very high concentrations in the brain and is most concentrated in the pituitary, adrenal, and pineal glands — a finding which supports DAA’s role as a hormone regulator. But it is also found in relatively large quantities in neuronal centers — a finding which supports its role as messenger and neurotransmitter.

I’m actually of the opinion that DAA has a lot of benefits which go unmentioned — it increases cAMP/PKA and thereby should improve metabolic function and upregulate androgen receptor expression to an extent; NMDA receptor activation is involved in a complicated feedback cycle with the Ca2-activated PKC cascade — the end result of which being (if I am correct) that increased DAA levels upregulate adrenal androgen receptor function to an even further extent; it’s an extremely potent neuromoduator — to such a degree that it has even been surmised that an NMDA receptor hypofunctional state might underlie schizophrenia; its a potent (as mentioned) neurotransmitter, etc…

DAA is clearly a very beneficial thing to take, in general, and would also be of value as part of a hormone regimen.


And again....I don't disagree with you in general. However, I do think there are a handful of products that not only work, but are or can be healthy for you.
 

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I recommend any consumer research anything they put into their body. Far too many are out there to make a buck....even if it's at the expense of your health. Don't take peoples word, research it for yourself.
 

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Supplements is a pretty broad word, testosterone boosters are what Ive seen be most harmful. Protein, glucosamine, ammino acids, natural products are good for you, they all feed your muscles and repair the tissue you rip when you work out. Creatine is something I'm borderline on, it can be benificial when taken correctly in cycles but can be harmful when used year round, it's found naturally in meats so nothing to be real worried about, drinking lots of water definately helps wash toxins out if you are cycling creatine. What I'm saying is based on what I've read and what I've seen and what I've experienced, I'm in no way an expert, I've just seen the effects of anabolics and want to make people aware that none of it is safe and its sad that companies can sell stuff without stateing side effects.

Like he said do your own research before putting things into your body, steroid steve at the suppliment store will tell you anything to make a buck.

90% of putting on lean muscle is going to come from your diet, It's more important that even how hard you train.

Anyone working out daily should be getting at least a gram of protien per pound of body weigh a day .

Besides protien some other good things to take when lifting are amino acids which synthesis the protien making it more effective.
 

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Supplements is a pretty broad word, testosterone boosters are what Ive seen be most harmful. Protein, glucosamine, ammino acids, natural products are good for you, they all feed your muscles and repair the tissue you rip when you work out. Creatine is something I'm borderline on, it can be benificial when taken correctly in cycles but can be harmful when used year round, it's found naturally in meats so nothing to be real worried about, drinking lots of water definately helps wash toxins out if you are cycling creatine. What I'm saying is based on what I've read and what I've seen and what I've experienced, I'm in no way an expert, I've just seen the effects of anabolics and want to make people aware that none of it is safe and its sad that companies can sell stuff without stateing side effects.

Like he said do your own research before putting things into your body, steroid steve at the suppliment store will tell you anything to make a buck.

90% of putting on lean muscle is going to come from your diet, It's more important that even how hard you train.

Anyone working out daily should be getting at least a gram of protien per pound of body weigh a day .
10-4. there's plenty of good/healthy supplements out there. i.e. - how in the world can you take in 200+ grams of protein without a whey or other protein supplement. i won't argue your views on test boosters, but to each their own on that. i just wanted to make sure you weren't completely anti-supplement.
 
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