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Academy has an ad in today's paper for S & W Sigma 9 MM or .40 S & W Handgun for $299.99. Looks like a good deal....but not sure which one to get. What's the differences in the 9 MM & the .40 cal and which one would you recommend....? Will be for home protection / occasional target practice.
 

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I have a .40 Sigma and I am pleased with the gun. It doesn't have the finish of a glock, but it is a good buy for the price. I bought mine about 10 years ago for $275, so your price sounds good.
 

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Definitely the .40 for the knock down power over the 9mm - which is exactly why most LEO's have changed from the 9mm to the .40...good luck w/ your purchase! :usaflag
 

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Personally I like 9mm, mostly because less recoil, the ammo is more readily available and it's quite a bit cheaper.

Don't know if it's still going on (check S&W's website) but there was a $50 rebate on the Sigma. That would make it a great deal.
 

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I checked S & W's website and indeed......they have a $50 rebate good until 4/30....looks like that was just the deciding factor. I'm going to try to make it to Academy and pay for it and hopefully be back in time for the SuperBowl game - GO SAINTS !!!

Thanks for all the advice guys.

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I have a Sigma 9mm and I love it for the price. It cant compare to the HK USP .40 LEM that I shoot but for the money it is a fine gun. My dad is an "at home gun smith" and he changed out a few of the springs and made the trigger pull alot less stiff and he put night sights on it as well. The feed ramp also has a few mods but i have never had it fail unless I was shooting crappy reloaded gun show ammo. But overall its a fun and inexpensive.
 

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A Sigma is not in the same class as a BHP, Sig, H&K, Colt or even a Glock but for $250 ????? That's a great deal and I would be all over it if I didn't already own a few others.
 

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I have 2 9mms (Browning High Power and Springfield) and have shot several 40s. My question is how many rounds will the 40 you are looking at hold? A buddy of mine recently bought a Sig 40 and it will only hold 1 in the chamber and 7 in the mag. If that is all it will hold I would buy a 45. However in a life or death stressful situation most people's ability to shoot accurately is compromised. That being said I would rather have 15 9mm rounds than 7 or 8 40s.
 

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i enjoyed my sigma i had the 9mm and put atleast 3000 rounds thru it and never had a proble one with it. even after shooting it all day in a sugar sand pit and my brother droping it more than once while reloading it . never failed. good gun for the money and as far as the trigger goes, buy the gun and send it back to s&w and they will do the trigger work for free under the warr. (just takes a few dollars for shipping) but well worth it imo.
 

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In the ad for both pistols (9 MM or the 40) it says capacity = 16 + 1. It does not specify different capacity for each pistol.

I think I'm going for the 9 MM since this will be a home weapon for the wife's use as well. Downloaded the rebate coupon - heading to Academy for certain today.

How Bout dem SAINTS !!!!!
 

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Mike's on HWY 29 had them for the same price recently if you want to do business locally.

I havea Sigma 9mm and aside from a VERY heavy trigger pull (around 10-12 lbs), it is a decent pistol for the price. The only complaint I have, and have read on numerous other websites, centers around trigger pull.You should definitely dry fire the pistol several times before buying to ensure that you will be comfortable with that heavy trigger. You can send the pistol back to S&W for "free" if thepull is too heavy for your liking after you purchase, but thework they perform only lowers the trigger pull to around 8-9 LBS, which is still quite heavy for most people. There arealso several cheap and easy "do-it-yourself" alterations on the internetyou can do to get the trigger pull closer to 2 - 5 lbs of pull if you needed to. So ifif you can live with the heavy trigger pull, overall IMO it is a solid little pistol for the price, plusS&W hasa lifetime repair warranty.
 

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afishanado (2/8/2010)Mike's on HWY 29 had them for the same price recently if you want to do business locally.



I havea Sigma 9mm and aside from a VERY heavy trigger pull (around 10-12 lbs), it is a decent pistol for the price. The only complaint I have, and have read on numerous other websites, centers around trigger pull.You should definitely dry fire the pistol several times before buying to ensure that you will be comfortable with that heavy trigger. You can send the pistol back to S&W for "free" if thepull is too heavy for your liking after you purchase, but thework they perform only lowers the trigger pull to around 8-9 LBS, which is still quite heavy for most people. There arealso several cheap and easy "do-it-yourself" alterations on the internetyou can do to get the trigger pull closer to 2 - 5 lbs of pull if you needed to. So ifif you can live with the heavy trigger pull, overall IMO it is a solid little pistol for the price, plusS&W hasa lifetime repair warranty.


Yep, its heavy. I dont mind. Ive got one. You pull that trigger you know you meant too
 

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redfish maniac (2/8/2010)In the ad for both pistols (9 MM or the 40) it says capacity = 16 + 1. It does not specify different capacity for each pistol.



I think I'm going for the 9 MM since this will be a home weapon for the wife's use as well. Downloaded the rebate coupon - heading to Academy for certain today.



How Bout dem SAINTS !!!!!


Yep the 40 is 14+1
 

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If you HAD to get a sigma get the .40. Most Law Enforcement agencies are switching to .45s for the knock down power. The sigmas are a pain in the butt to take care of if you plan to shoot it a lot due to multiple parts and it needs lots of lube. Also if you ever needed to shoot someone through glass, a wall, or really any light cover the .40 will stay pretty accurate after it penetrates and the 9mm will deflect. There is almost no difference in shooting either caliber. I recommend spending a few hundred extra bucks and get a Glock. There's 3 main pieces and that's it. It can be buried for 30 years, dug up, cleaned and fired with no malfunctions. Just think about why most LEO's in FL carry a Glock .40 or .45.
 

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Keep in mind you will your target at 6 feet 58% of the time when under life and death pressure. You might want capacity first.



No reason for the .40 cal, skip the .40 and go straight to .45 or stay with 9mm

.40 ammo is 26% heavier and 33% higher priced

My 9mm 124 grain hydrashocks open wider than .45 cals. I'd still rather use a .45, but I won't carry it, just too heavy.



Shot placement is the most important factor. Knock down power is more myth and marketing than anything else. Location. Location. Location. If you shoot him in the eye with a bb gun you will stop him.



Unless, the gun is for a woman with a personal stalker rather than just an unknown bad guy big bullets aren't all that needed. a .22cal in the stomach will change most any bad guy's mind regardless of how bad he needed the money or how much Viagra he took. I get several female students a month from Favor House for battered and abused women and I always recommend a .45 or .357 mag for the crazy ex's who might attack them again...



LEO's moved over to .40 cal for only two reasons and most of them are not aware of it.

Great marketing by Smith&Wesson and windshield penetration.



.40 cals are flat nose by design (typically 180 grain) and penetrate windshield much better than the lighter pointier 9mm (115-147 grain.)

.40 cal have less deflection off of angled glass.

.40 cal is a 10mm short once used by the FBI. FBI abandoned the 10mm because it killed everything it hit and they could interrogate the bad guys so well dead. Women also had a hard time qualifying with the 10mm, but later proved through successfully winning a law suit against the FBI that they were purposely taught how to improperly grip the gun so that they would not qualify at the range. I believe they were back paid 3 years back salary. The FBI switched to the less power .40 cal.



9mm penetrate significantly deeper than .40 cal. I test them on body armor quite often.

If over penetration is a concern with 9mm, then .40 cal is a legitimate choice.

Always use factory manufactured hollow points for self defense rounds.

Do not use your own reloads for self defense, it's not a quality issue. It's a CSI issue with powder blast and distance calculations that can only be accurately measured with factory ammo.



Don't worry about the caliber. Train to hit your target in a micro second at 6 feet.
 
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