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bob II (11/9/2009)this is for Gary Colecchio, in case you did not see the comments from Gary Jarvis regarding your reply on this post here it is. It was sent to his email list, not sure if you are on it or have seen his comment. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">sent via email on 11-9-09 at 11:35am from <SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">[email protected].<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would like to remind Mr.Colecchio that there are only 200 or less dual permitted vessels in the charter for hire sector out of close to 1400 total permits Having these permit holders MAKE A CHOICE does not remove them (they will just put the permit on another boat.) from the charter for hire sector.<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
<o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I am aware of the duplicity ofyour operations. <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">It's "Captain" BTW. <o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">
<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">They will still continue to charter and still continue to commercial fish. These permits are landing fish in 2 different TAC's and have no bearing on the over fishing by one tac and not over fishing in the other.<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">And that is a problem which will need to be addressed. Co-mingling take blurs the clear distinction between the two sectors. <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">There are recreational permits and commercial. both have diametrically opposed business practice and goals. <o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Time tochose what business you want to participate in. <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
<o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So now that you have not reduced the number of CFH vessels now how does that solve anything?<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">But it does reduce the charter fishing vessels. It divides recreational charter vessels from commercials masquerading as recreational boats. <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">
<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To participate in wishful thinking that recreational sector can stay as a whole when you have 2 sets of management standards within one sector is ridiculous.<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">We'll see. <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">
<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The CFH sector (through SOS) recognizes the problems in recreational fishery management Accountability Measuresand want to solve the problem with sound conservation backed plan that is conclusive to our recreational anglers to have access to GOM reef complexes.<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">SOS, to mix metaphors is the wolf in sheep's clothing, the best of both worlds and having your cake and eating it too. IFQ's in any form are unacceptable to the recreational community. They are more appropriately applied to a business where fish are treated as a commodity, which is not the business model of recreational fishermen. <o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Mr. Colecchio continues the argument that to solve the unaccountability in the recreational sector that taking fish out of a accountable fishery is somehow magically going to stop the unaccountable over fishing practices of a sector that wants no accountability or limited access like the CFH sector and commercial sector now have.<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Captain,<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> and that is not true. What is true is that Captain Jarvis ( through Captain Zales)who is a commercial fisherman is seeking to further divide thenonsensical allocation of 20% to recreational fishermen by creating a thirdquasi-recreational sector. <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The fundamental flaw in this is again that recreational fishermen do not sell fish. <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">
<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The private recreational fishery leadership have taken a scorched earth policy that they would prefer a 10 day season or total closure verses any form of limited access like a Tag program. That may be acceptable for him but my family, business and customers beg to differ <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">My customers, associatesand every recreational fishermen I speak to do not subscribe to your vision or self interests at their expense. <o:p></o:p>
 

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All of this argument hinges on the "facts" as known by NMFS, which is a red snapper fishery that is in danger of overfishing.

Nothing is farther from the truth. <U>It is like saying "water is not wet".</U>

The way I see it, we can all fight for scraps from the table of the all powerful federal government, or we can DISPUTE the data that is being used and hope to get a court injunction against NMFS.

That is why I joined FRA. I invite anyone who cares enough to spend $35 to protect your right to fish to join FRA. They have 3 lawsuits pending against NMFS. They are the ONLY group to win a lawsuit against NMFS, back in 2007.

Personally, I am not willing to fight everyone for scraps. If it gets down to that, I think we all lose. I say we all concentrate on lawsuits on NMFS and calling our senators.

Anyone unable to catch red snapper on EVERY SINGLE DROP on a reef in 100 foot of water is incompetant or fishing without bait.

 

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I for one appreciate <SPAN id=_ctl1_ctlTopic_ctlPanelBar_ctlTopicsRepeater__ctl11_lblPostSignature>Captain Colecchio's viewpoint on SOS. First keep in mind that SOS has migrated since it was first developed and that it is not just about "red snapper' it now includes allfish species with a "total allowable catch" (red snapper,grouper, trigger etc.)

SoS if enacted as writtenwould serve to erasethe current "line" between the commercial sector andtherecreational sector if"fish shares" wereallowed to be actively traded between"for hire" and commercial fisherman. Personally, I believe that is one of the SOS'splan's primary tenants. In other words,SOS is a business planthat was started by and designed to make the fishing business more profitable for a select group of "for hire" captains who also fish commercially.

Angus,

lawsuits towards establishing a more accurate method of determining whatthe actual biomasses of certain reef fish speciesare (for example accounting for red snapper on artificial reefs and oil rigs etc)are great in terms of focusing the attention of lawmakers and regulators on a problem, but SOS and the separation of the recreational fishing reef fish total allowable catch into a "for hire" sector, and and an all other recreational sectoris a different subject altogether in my mind.

The FRA, RFA and CCA can all help with this, but in my job Ioften see and chop onproposed legislation that has been carefullyprepared with all good intention, but when the legislationcomes out of Congress it doesn't look the same, nor does it have the same effect that the original preparer intended.Need to be careful here that we don't getmore accurate method's of determining and accounting for fish stocks and the SOS plan all wrapped up in one piece of federal legislation.

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Mark,

I figure that not suing the NMFS is rolling over and playing dead. We <U>might</U> not like the outcome of new legislation, but I <U>guarantee</U> we won't like the outcome of continued regulation increases.
 

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Angus,

let me clarify. As you probably knowI am an FRA member as well. So don't get me wrong at this timeI support the lawsuits.

Justattempting to point out that you can probably bet your bottom dollar that Environmental Defense Fund lobbyists/SOS planners are watching the situation carefully and if changes to the magnuson stevenslaw were to be undertaken by congress, they would be right there handing the congressional staff members that were working the proposed legislative changesthe SOS plan and telling them that SOS waspart of the answer towards better accountabilityfor the number of fish harvested. When in fact you can "count' "for hire' fish caught withoutdividing the recreational sector. (I hesitate to use the word divide as it imparts there would be equal sharing which is debatable in my mind under SOS).

In fact,I would bet thatEnvironmental Defense Fund lobbyists/SOS plannershave already been heavily in touch and remain engaged with select Congressional staffs regarding SOS plan implementation.

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In fact,I would bet thatEnvironmental Defense Fund lobbyists/SOS plannershave already been heavily in touch and remain engaged with select Congressional staffs regarding SOS plan implementation.
That's right, Captain Jarvis and the EDF lobbiest (can't recall his name) do not hide that relationship in public.

Jarvis and SOS are looking out for their own interests only with this EDF proposal.
 

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That's right, Captain Jarvis and the EDF lobbiest (can't recall his name) [/quote]

That would be Mr. Jeff Barger

http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=879

neither good nor bad in my mind as that is the way ourgovernment gets it's business done.It's just tough to know that aswe sit here that there are lobbyiston the other side of the issue who are being paid a salary to work their agenda through lawmakers.

One can only write to lawmakers, attend meetings when able,and contribute to recreational fishing organizations(who file lawsuits and lobby) and hopethat our voice isheard as well.

Mark W
 
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