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Jason (3/20/2010)There are some screwey rules out there....Now the fires, I understand, since we have the whitest beaches, it would be nice to keep it that way...but there are some strange 1's out there....:banghead
<P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">We used to have white beaches, then the needy condo renters got the beach "renourishment" that turned most of into the shit that prevails across most of the rest of Florida.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">...Take his name, file a report with the local cops, and the park superintendant. Only via this route can his superiors take corrective action. <o:p></o:p><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">Stressless<o:p></o:p>
 

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choppedliver (3/20/2010)Amazing.



One more thing to get me riled up about our government. I swear it's going to come down to a revolt by the people in my lifetime. Government is out of hand. Gradualism has taken it's toll.


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Thing of it is, if you call them Pak Nazis (which is my own particular term of endearment for them), someone will jump on you and try to say that you must have been the one who was breaking the rules (walking on dunes, etc).

Just like if you don't like Obama, then you are automatically racist.

This is where political correctness leads us.

I will still call them Park Nazis, because thats how they act. Let their behavior change, and they could achieve Park Ranger status. :letsdrink
 

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angus_cow_doctor (3/21/2010)Thing of it is, if you call them Pak Nazis (which is my own particular term of endearment for them), someone will jump on you and try to say that you must have been the one who was breaking the rules (walking on dunes, etc).

Just like if you don't like Obama, then you are automatically racist.

This is where political correctness leads us.

I will still call them Park Nazis, because thats how they act. Let their behavior change, and they could achieve Park Ranger status. :letsdrink


My anecdotal observation of law enforcement officials in general is that they forgot the motto "to protect and to SERVE" a long time ago.

I know we have some LEOs on here, who seem to be great guys. It sucks that they have to work with so many douche bags that give the profession a bad name.
 

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Ranger Larry Edwards is the same Ranger that went after the campers on Ft. Pickens for having a camper tire on the sand vs. on the pavement.

And giving them a ticket for parking their extra car in a vacant camping spot.

And harassing their son when he tried to go to his Mom's campsite after 10p.m.



http://www.gulfbreezenews.com/news/2009/0910/front_page/003.html



http://pensacolafishingforum.com/fishingforum/Topic421607-2-1.aspx



http://pensacolafishingforum.com/fishingforum/Topic400788-17-1.aspx?Highlight=harassment





FYI, In the Florida District, District Ranger Terry Morris is his first line supervisor and Clayton Jordan is Chief Ranger who is designated as the

Senior Park Law Enforcement Officer (the local Ranger boss).



Chief Ranger Jordan and Park Superintendent Kelson are considered on the same level as the Park management and the Park Law Enforcement are considered separate entities. That being said, it does not hurt to email or copy to all three with your concerns.



[email protected]



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And if you really want to blanket cc to more of the local NPS supervisors and their supervisors all the way to Washington, D.C. copy and paste the following into your email.



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I really appritiate everyone's support about this and agree with all the comments above. However with all due respect I think several of you missed my point. Yes, Larry Edwards does not serve his position as intended and should probably be forced to find a different job. But that's just a bad employee at the park, one bad apple.

My problem is the governments completecontrol over what is supposed to be OUR park! No comments about how it is against the law to flounder gig out there?

Do you know why there are not any boats allowed within 200' of the fishing pier or 200' of the old pier? It is because the competition between the anglers from the pier and on theboat will create a violent situation!!

That's how your government views you! An animal that must be regulated or we will attack each other if we are allowed within 200' of each other. Don't believe me look it up, 36 CFR 1.5-21.

I have a serious problem with this!!The beach pier does not have many problems with pier goers and boaters, everyone understands the situation and we did not need the federal government to help us!

The simple reason for this law is that therangers at pickens will have to hear lots of bitching from the pier fishermen about the boats being in their way so it is easier for them to strip a group of their freedoms and make it off limits, than to explain to these people that EVERYONE has a right to the park.

No comments about how the government could make the entire shaded areas on the picture above off limits to boating and fishing?? Once again the government has made a power grab for complete control over something and then asked us to trust them. Well, do you???

I could easily make the agruement that we would have more rights, freedoms, control, and community benefit if the entire area was owned by Portafino! We could negotiate a contract with a private enterprize that gave us more access and thatcost park goers and tax payers NOTHING to keep it up!
 

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we haven't been "free" in quite some time. government is too big and too corrupt and is slowly creating a socialist state. hopefully us like-minded take-care-of-ourselves individuals will be able to survive the time between when the system crumbles and when we are able to rebuild our once great nation.
 

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Just to add to the fire,

Larry Edwards is a jerk anyways. I used to work maintenance for the national park service and had a lot of dealings with him. He would sit on hwy 98 and clock cars coming by. If they did more than 5 miles an hour over the posted speed, he would give them a ticket. Also, he would go down the beach and pick up asphault and put it in the dumpster. He really pissed off the garbage man and the garbage man blew up at us bc he thought it was us. This is just a few things he did, but i know from experience that he is a jerk.........
 

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Here is your quote "

Do you know why there are not any boats allowed within 200' of the fishing pier or 200' of the old pier? It is because the competition between the anglers from the pier and on theboat will create a violent situation!!"

It sounds like you operated your boat less than 200ft from the pier, and then tried to argue that the FWC said you could. If thats the case I'm glad the ranger did his job. You got a boat, dont fish around people on the pier.:doh I paid $55 to fish that pier, if you want to fish it maybe you should pay $55 and come on the pier and enjoy your "rights".
 

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Matt Mcleod (3/20/2010)

I guess my point is this: I?m tired of the government thinking they know what?s best for me!

It used to be WE ALL owned and had a right to things like our national parks. That these parks were created for US! For mine and your benefit! For us all to have access to our natural resources!

Not the case! Have no doubt the government owns this property! Just ask Larry Edwards, if he doesn?t like what you?re doing then LOOK OUT! <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">So, I refer back to the title of this thread. Land of the free? Think so?[/B] Then take your family out to the park by boat. Park it within 200? of the old pier. Build a camp fire on the beach using driftwood you found at or below the mean high tide line. Dig a few sand fleas and use them to catch a pompano which you clean and throw the carcass in the water. Put a dozen sand fleas in the boat to take home to use on your next trip. Look around a little for a flounder to gig after dark. Then fall asleep by the fire on the beach.<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal>You just committed 7 federal crimes! You should be ashamed!
Ok, hold up for a second. A lot of that info was interesting and I've never heard of some of those rules but before you start railing on the government for putting a couple rules out there stop and think for a minute.All public land is for the use for EVERYONE. That means you and me out there fishing, the family that wants to collect shells, the pier fisherman, history buffs checking out the fort and kids wanting to have a bonfire on the beach and get hammered. A lot of these uses can coexist no problem (boaters 3/4 of a mile off the beach and pier fishermen)and thats great. Sometimes these uses aren'tcompatible. Obviously if you're a dad taking your kids to the beach, do you want there to be broken glass and charcoal littered about waiting for your children to stepon? No, but dammit we have our rights don't we? Its called multiple use policy.Sometimes it seems to make everyone a little unhappy but like you said, these arepublic lands for EVERYONE to use, notjust fishermen, so the rules are there so it can be enjoyed equally. If you want more examples look at state and national forests and regulations to provide for logging, mining, hunting,fishing, camping and habitat protection. Some of those activities are complementary (hunting, fishing, habitat protection)but others are contradictory (mining and habitat protection for example)and so they get restricted, sometimes arbitrarily so that the miners and mine, andthewildlife watcherscan see the wildlife. You can't please everyone but you can restrict everyone a little bit to keep everyone happy enough to enjoy what they're doing.
 

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The Reason the Park was created was to one protect the land from development and to set it aside for the use of the public and to maintain the land for future use they set up laws since all wild life is protected in the park including marine life which is why they have the gigging laws, its the same as they dont let you kill buffalo in Yellowstone or shooting bald eagles at mt Rainer they treat all these areas the same because they want to maintain them, the rangers are acting strange probably because they have not had human contact in 4 years and are not sure how to handle situations correctly so just complain a lot and they will act better.









would you rather have the park or some tourist resort which you would not have access too
 

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Really??? I don't think gigging flounder can be compared to shooting a bison or a bald eagle. I'm from Mississippi and have never been to Pickens but I read the forum and there are a lot of complaints about the rangers on here. Seems like they are a little cocky for whatever reason. The no gigging rule bothers me a lot. What would make them put something like that on the books? Pickens is part of the Gulf Islands National Seashore and so is our Davis Bayou park over here. Reading this post made me look curious about the regs over here. I looked them up and it follows the state regs. It has no special rules as far as fishing methods. Gigging flounder is perfectly legal. I agree with the other posters. Start sending emails to the higher ups. Even if the law doesn't change you shouldn't have to talked down to by someone with an inferiority complex.
 

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As a pier fisherman,I wouldnt have any problem with a boat on the old pier poles doing whatever but dont get close to where the new pier is where people payed the park service to fish on the pier. The problem with some boaters is they dont think about lines in the water& a possible "fish on" situation where the line will or could be way out off the pier. On P-bch pier it happens all the time. Get a nice fish on, Here comes old boater to possibly screw it up. When that happens, Bad scene! Could you Imagine hooking a nice Marlin or Wahoo & another Boater cuts you off? :blownaway Thats how angry that coulld make someone. As far as gigging for flounder at Ft.P, Ive done it to many times to remeber over the years & never heard that rule or it enforced. Park rangers are people too & I'm sure this one guy has a list of complaints a mile long. Once his Supv, gets tired of hearing them, Things will change. Maybe we should all go out there fishing one day, Ask for him to show us all the points of fishing FT.P& his reasons whyanyone should come back out there in front of his supv.:shedevil When a public oriented crowd shows up, Shii happens.:clap
 

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Flounder gigging in the shaded area is by special permit only and I'm the only U.S. citizen who has been issued a permit.

Don't let me see none of you gigging in the shaded area. I have the Ranger station on speed dial and you will definately get a ticket.And I will be off in the distance (with my lights turned off) watching Larry chew your ass.
 

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captwesrozier (3/21/2010)spearem...you are so correct!!!!!! he does get a W2 each year...thanks to the american citizen who's taxes goes to paying his job! Oh and the salary he gets paid to "protect" the park is not worth the pay he receives. You see we could have a rent a guard for way less money patrol the island telling people not to leave their trash...park their tires on the asphalt and only 20 sand fleas in their bucket at anytime.

Where is hurricane Ivan?
well there mr.Captain, all you got to do is sign on the dotted line and ask for his job. like i said before, i am not defending his attitude, i simply stated he pays taxes just like you, so he actually pays into his on paycheck. and the last time i checked, taxes was not an option, they took it out of our our paychecks. and if you do wind up getting his job, tell your employer that you are tax exempt because the american citizen pays your salary and you will never have to pay taxes again. like i said get off the " hey man i pay your salary " crutch. and if you want to, come ride a a 12 hour shift in my beat, and let some low life thug say that to your face. never mind you could not do it, go catch a fish.
 

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Why do you think there are these rules in existance in the first place? Do you think some desk jockey's sat around one day to think up these rules for the heck of it?

No, somewhere at sometime too many people were abusing the privilege of no rules, abused the privilege and these rules are the result.



Just so you know, The Fort Pickens Aquatic Preserve is actually a Florida State Park owned by the state of Florida.

http://www.dep.state.fl.us/coastal/sites/ftpickens/info.htm http://www.dep.state.fl.us/coastal/sites/ftpickens/ http://www.stateparks.com/fort_pickens__aquatic_preserve.htmlestablished in 1970 which predates the establishment of the National Seashore by at least one year. It is considered outside the following boundaries as listed below:



In the Perdido Key, Fort Pickens, and Santa Rosa Areas the National Seashore boundary extends on the north to the Gulf Intracoastal Waterway (designated shipping channel) and on the south one mile from the low tide line of the island.



The Fort Pickens Aquatic Preserve extends three miles south of the coast, the first mile is within the National Seashore and the next two miles out are outside the National Seashore and actually owned by Florida State Parks system.



 

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Section 1.5 - 18 The following areas are closed to the use and possession of spears, gigs, spear guns, Hawaiian slings, and other similar devices, except that such devices may be on board vessels when stowed away and not available for immediate use.



(a) In the Ft. Pickens area, the shore and waters adjacent to the Pensacola Bay shoreline between the Quartermaster dock location and a point 100 yards west of the rock jetties.

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The only area off limits to Flounder gigging is the last 2.8 miles of the northern shore of the Fort Pickens area. Out to the Intracoastal shipping channel. The other 4.5 miles to the east is open to flounder gigging as well as all waters on the south shore.



So what exactly was the problem with your boat location for Ranger Edwards anyways??
 

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johnsonbeachbum (3/21/2010)Section 1.5 - 18 The following areas are closed to the use and possession of spears, gigs, spear guns, Hawaiian slings, and other similar devices, except that such devices may be on board vessels when stowed away and not available for immediate use.

(a) In the Ft. Pickens area, the shore and waters adjacent to the Pensacola Bay shoreline between the Quartermaster dock location and a point 100 yards west of the rock jetties.
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The only area off limits to Flounder gigging is the last 2.8 miles of the northern shore of the Fort Pickens area. Out to the Intracoastal shipping channel. The other 4.5 miles to the east is open to flounder gigging as well as all waters on the south shore.

So what exactly was the problem with your boat location for Ranger Edwards anyways??
You are correct. That 2.8 stretch is mine.
 
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