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<H1><H1 style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p><H1 style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">Environmental Defense Fund (EDF) is the group that the Save our Sector group works with. <SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><o:p></o:p></H1><H1 style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">Looks like EDF ishiring someone to keep the concept of "catch shares" throughout the Gulf working...<SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"> <SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><o:p></o:p></H1><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-outline-level: 2"><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f5080; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-font-kerning: 18.0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-font-kerning: 18.0pt">Makes me sick to my stomach to think about environmental Non Governmental Organizations like EDF who have no real stake in recreational fishing here on the gulf coast communicating with federal and state officials, fisheries managers and chief scientists, catch share program administrators, council members and staff and other elected officials, and any other interested parties to effectively and efficiently coordinate the implementation recreational catch shares? <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-outline-level: 2"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-font-kerning: 18.0pt"><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-outline-level: 2"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-font-kerning: 18.0pt">all ought to be run out of town on a rail if you ask me.<SPAN style="COLOR: #1f5080; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-font-kerning: 18.0pt"><o:p></o:p></o:p></H1><H1 style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">MarkW<SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><o:p></o:p></H1></H1><H1>Job Openings</H1><H2></H2><DIV id=pagesidebar><DIV class=sidebox><H2>Connect with EDF</H2>

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With world attention focused on both the environment and the economy, Environmental Defense Fund is where policymakers and business leaders turn for win-win solutions. This leading green group, founded in 1967, has tripled in size over the past decade by focusing on strong science, uncommon partnerships and market-based approaches. You can be part of a vibrant workplace that welcomes diverse perspectives, talents and contributions, where innovation and a focus on results are a way of life. With programs from Boston to Beijing, Environmental Defense Fund is the only environmental group to receive an A rating from Wired magazine.Overall Function:The Fisheries Conservation Manager will oversee and coordinate catch shares projects in the Gulf of Mexico, to include Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and the west coast of Florida. This position will report directly to the Senior Conservation Manager, Gulf and Southeast Region and be a standing member of the Catch Shares Working Group.</DIV></DIV>Under the overall direction of the Gulf and Southeast Region Oceans Program Director, and direct supervision of the Senior Conservation Manager, this position will be responsible for the oversight and coordination of commercial catch share programs in the Exclusive Economic Zone in the Gulf of Mexico. The Fisheries Conservation Manager will manage a team of staff and consultants, as necessary, to ensure the Gulf and Southeast Region?s goals and objectives are met. This position will also work with program leadership to coordinate the mission in the Gulf region, including meeting and communicating with federal and stateofficials, fisheries managers and chief scientists, catch share program administrators, council members and staff and other elected officials. This position will also work closely with all other marine user groups and catch share stakeholders, NGOs, and any other interested parties to effectively and efficiently coordinate the implementation of commercial and recreational catch shares in the Southeast.</DIV></DIV><U>Responsibilities include but are not limited to:</U></DIV></DIV><UL><LI>Assist in designing and implementing broad strategies for the successful adaptation of commercial catch share programs in the Gulf of Mexico. <LI>Implement and oversee area specific tactics which will bring these strategies plan to fruition. This includes researching and marshalling human resources and fiscal assets, developing external partnerships, using media and outreach materials, conducting on-the-ground- assessments and identifying and developing key fishermen and stakeholder supporters. <LI>Develop and conduct fishermen and stakeholder education to foster catch share programs in the Southeast to include workshops, leadership training, media and communication training and outreach. Interactwith news media as needed to promote and publicize projects. <LI>Identify, train, and lead key fishermen and stakeholder supporters who will: write Op-Eds and other media materials; reach out to state and federal congressional staff; and conduct congressional site visits. The position will also conduct fishermen exchanges and lobby days visits and other such activities as required by the mission and approved by the Senior Conservation Manager. <LI>Collaborate and oversee team functions necessary to achieve the catch shares mission, including: supervising outside consultants on the development of fisheries economicand business studies, market-based catch share studies, and scientific projects needed to implement catch shares programs in the Gulf. <LI>Oversee team efforts and consultants in collaborations which will identify, design, and implement entrepreneurial projects which will consolidate the fleet through re-investment opportunities such as loan programs, community trusts, coops, and other market-based incentives. Oversee research and analysis to identify solutions to project goals, including analyzing information from a variety of internal and external sources, and communicating results to the Senior Conservation Manager and other appropriate parties. <LI>Identify, design and oversee team efforts which will work directly with key fishermen and other stakeholders to effectively leverage their voices with council members, commission members, state and federal agencies executives and other key decision makers to implement catch shares throughout the Gulf. Participate in and/or oversee community outreach efforts to ensure successful plan implementation. <LI>Serve on federal and state advisory panels and committees key to advancing catch shares work in the Gulf. <LI>Coordinate with the Oceans National Policy Team as required by the Gulf and Southeast Regional Director. <LI>Engage in fundraising support activities and collaborate on proposals and reports required by grantors or other requesting parties as needed. <LI>Undertake and complete special projects as assigned by the Senior Conservation Manager. </LI>[/list]</DIV><U>Qualifications:</U></DIV><UL><LI>Graduate degree or, equivalent professional experience, in Science, Policy, Economics, or Law, in areas related to environmental or marine resources policy, aquatic sciences, environmental sciences or related fields. </LI>[/list]<UL><LI>Minimum of five-seven years of related advocacy work experience. <LI>Strong understanding of state and federal policy making and political processes. <LI>Understanding of business, environmental, financial, scientific and other issues related to creating and maintaining sustainable fisheries. <LI>Demonstrable people and project management skills. <LI>Demonstrable analytic skills and ability to perform rigorous analysis in support of highly visible work. <LI>Demonstrable written and oral communication skills. <LI>Negotiation skills. <LI>Ability to garner consensus between disparate groups with conflicting priorities. <LI>Ability to recognize and build on market and strategic opportunities for progress. <LI>Capable of working with a variety of concerned parties, including government agencies, grassroots organizations and private firms, within strategic coalitions. <LI>A self-starter with the ability to think strategically and the initiative to work in a small regional office while effectively functioning as part of a larger program team. </LI>[/list]</DIV><DIV style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">* * * * * * * * * * * *</DIV><DIV style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"></DIV><DIV align=left><U>Location:</U> Austin, TX</DIV><DIV align=left></DIV><DIV align=left>Interested applicants should forward their cover letter (including salary requirements) and resume to:[email protected]</DIV><DIV align=center></DIV><DIV align=center></DIV><DIV align=center>Environmental Defense Fund is an Equal Opportunity Employer. </DIV><DIV align=center></DIV></DIV>
 

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Fairwaterfishing (3/4/2010)At the gulf council meetings there are over 25 environmental people there with there lap tops and they are there for the whole week of the meeting. They are there first and leave last.
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some would say that is a problem if not the problem with the fisheries regulation process.

I understand the political process and the organization. Also, I understand that all americans have a vested interest in the health ofthe oceans and waterways that border the U.S, and that these environmental groups state that they are representing all americans. Meanwhile, I personally feel the environmentalist do not havea true vested interest in what goes on with gulf snapper regulations -for example.

In my opinion,the National Marine Fisheries should treat these environmental groups just like they would the general public - 3 minutes of public commentary and you are out. No computer setups etc...

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The meeting in mobile it was pretty much first come first serve on seating and the ability to use your computer. It didnt matter if you were with a group or just a private guy. I didn not go for the 3 mins comment, I went for the round table with crabtree which was open to the public also. I logged about 8 hours of time just watching and listening. There were a couple of private guys there a few charter for hire guys and a bunch of commercial intrest there. We were all out gunned against the environmentals tho, they are there in force. You see there is alot more done at these meetings on the water and smoke breaks than in the real meeting itself. Everyone on here bitched the way the commercial guy done something or the way the charter for hire done something, or the way the envirosgot something passedwhen in reality there was no one there really speaking out for the Rec people, so you will basicly get what you get cause there isnt very many people there speaking out for your cause.
 

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"Everyone on here bitched the way the commercial guy done something or the way the charter for hire done something, or the way the envirosgot something passedwhen in reality there was no one there really speaking out for the Rec people, so you will basicly get what you get cause there isnt very many people there speaking out for your cause."

There are many other ways to speak out and be heard thanat Dr. Crabtree's level.

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<SPAN style="COLOR: #31281a"><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #eeeeee; MARGIN: 0.1in 0in 0.2in; LINE-HEIGHT: 170%"><SPAN style="COLOR: #31281a">Here is an example of another initative you can't get talking "at" Crabtree at the Gulf Council meeting.<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #eeeeee; MARGIN: 0.1in 0in 0.2in; LINE-HEIGHT: 170%"><SPAN style="COLOR: #31281a">Mark W<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #eeeeee; MARGIN: 0.1in 0in 0.2in; LINE-HEIGHT: 170%">US Congressman Allen Boyd (D-North <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:smarttags" /><st1:State w:st="on">Florida</st1:State>) introduced legislation in the House of Representatives to protect the jobs of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placeType w:st="on">Gulf</st1:placeType> <st1:placeType w:st="on">Coast</st1:placeType></st1:place> fishers and boost the local fishing industry economic benefits to Gulf communities. The <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placeType w:st="on">Gulf</st1:placeType> of <st1:placeName w:st="on">Mexico Red Snapper Fishery Protection Act</st1:placeName></st1:place> would require a detailed analysis on the number of red snapper in the Gulf before the government can propose cuts in the number of days red snapper can be fished.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #eeeeee; MARGIN: 0.1in 0in 0.2in; LINE-HEIGHT: 170%"><SPAN style="COLOR: #31281a">?This legislation will ensure that our fishermen?s jobs are protected from any unjust future closures and that the economies of our local coastal communities are never again put in jeopardy because of outdated or incomplete information,? said Boyd.<o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #eeeeee; MARGIN: 0.1in 0in 0.2in; LINE-HEIGHT: 170%"><SPAN style="COLOR: #31281a">The administration recently restricted red snapper fishing in large zones off <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Florida</st1:place></st1:State>?s Atlantic coast due to suspected overfishing. Boyd?s bill would prevent this type of move without ?proper review, accurate information and justifiable explanation.?<o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #eeeeee; MARGIN: 0.1in 0in 0.2in; LINE-HEIGHT: 170%"><SPAN style="COLOR: #31281a">?Our commercial and recreational fishermen depend on the ability to fish, and closing fisheries using inaccurate information is a direct affront to our livelihood,? stated Bob Jones, executive director of the <SPAN style="COLOR: #777777; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: none">Southeastern Fisheries Association.<o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #eeeeee; MARGIN: 0.1in 0in 0.2in; LINE-HEIGHT: 170%"><SPAN style="COLOR: #31281a">Boyd?s legislation calls for a congressional review of the federal government?s new restrictions on commercial, recreational and charter fishing in Florida, and requires the federal government to scientifically assess and accurately determine the number of red snapper in the Gulf. Specifically, the bill:<o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #eeeeee; MARGIN: 0.1in 0in 0.2in; LINE-HEIGHT: 170%"><SPAN style="COLOR: #31281a">Directs the Secretary of Commerce to conduct a study to assess the amount of red snapper in the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placeType w:st="on">Gulf</st1:placeType> of <st1:placeName w:st="on">Mexico Red Snapper Fishery</st1:placeName></st1:place> <o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #eeeeee; MARGIN: 0.1in 0in 0.2in; LINE-HEIGHT: 170%">Prohibits the Department of Commerce from decreasing the number of fishing days without this assessment <o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #eeeeee; MARGIN: 0.1in 0in 0.2in; LINE-HEIGHT: 170%">Calls for the study to explicitly demonstrate the need for any reduction in the number of annual fishing days <o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #eeeeee; MARGIN: 0.1in 0in 0.2in; LINE-HEIGHT: 170%"><SPAN style="COLOR: #31281a">?This legislation is a direct result of the countless conversations I?ve had with our local fishermen. Many of these hardworking and dedicated individuals traveled by bus from North Florida to Washington just last week, and I was eager to meet with them, listen to their concerns, and discuss ways to prevent their livelihood from being unfairly imposed upon,? Boyd concluded.<o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #eeeeee; MARGIN: 0.1in 0in 0.2in; LINE-HEIGHT: 170%"><SPAN style="COLOR: #31281a">Boyd also recently thwarted the <SPAN style="COLOR: #777777; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: none">Food and Drug Administration (FDA) from imposing injurious new regulations on Gulf oyster production through his Gulf Oyster Protection Act, which helped convince the FDA to dump its proposal to inhibit oyster harvesting in the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placeType w:st="on">Gulf</st1:placeType> <st1:placeType w:st="on">Coast</st1:placeType></st1:place> during May-November.<o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #eeeeee; MARGIN: 0.1in 0in 0.2in; LINE-HEIGHT: 170%"><SPAN style="COLOR: #31281a">US Senator George LeMieux (R-FL) called on top officials at the <SPAN style="COLOR: #777777; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: none">National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) on Wednesday to immediately enhance the scientific methodology used gauge the health of <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Florida</st1:place></st1:State>?s fisheries. LeMieux said current methods are flawed and breed closures and fishing bans that are harming <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Florida</st1:place></st1:State>?s economy.<o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #eeeeee; MARGIN: 0.1in 0in 0.2in; LINE-HEIGHT: 170%"><SPAN style="COLOR: #31281a">?This is not a situation that is going to be a problem six months from now, this is not a situation that is going to be a problem a year from now, this is a situation where right now families who have been fishing for generations are going out of business,? LeMieux affirmed.<o:p></o:p><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #eeeeee; MARGIN: 0.1in 0in 0.2in; LINE-HEIGHT: 170%"><SPAN style="COLOR: #31281a">
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True, True,Im glad this whole issue is finally getting some airtime with some senators and rep. I guess its getting so bad that they can finally hearus begging. Just like if florida bucks the Federal season therewill be only 30 days for us charter boaters to fish for a snapper. Ifyou have a fed reef fish permit we have to abide by fed law. Its going to suck for us if Florida does that.
 

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Markw,

I have to open my pie hole! I have given my time and 37 years of fishing experience in so many seminars to try and help beginning anglers. What have you done?I read your post and none have a solution to any fisheries management problem just the same old rhetoric! Your post continue to have half truths and mis-information. I do appauld your effort but if you think you have educated yourself on all the issues you are misinformed.I want to thank Outcast Bait and Tackleforgiving me the opportunity to share what hard work and dedication has taught me over my fishing career and being able to share it with the fishing public that needs this type of community involvement.

To all educate yourself on the issues,

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Fairwaterfishing (3/5/2010)True, True,Im glad this whole issue is finally getting some airtime with some senators and rep. I guess its getting so bad that they can finally hearus begging. Just like if florida bucks the Federal season therewill be only 30 days for us charter boaters to fish for a snapper. Ifyou have a fed reef fish permit we have to abide by fed law. Its going to suck for us if Florida does that.


I would personally hate to see charter cut back for any reason because I know many are struggling. I hope lawmakers are somehow able

To win a reprieve for all and extended season for all.

I would rather stand with the charter operators and

Not fish in state waters than to be divided. I really believe we are on the edge of the

Cliff of catch shares etc. That will be bad for all.

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welcome aboard admiral ben. I personally have done nothing except come from a family of fisherman in Pensacola. Serve twenty plus years in the military to come home and find that you and a small group of charter captains are attempting to grab 60 percent give or take a few of the total allowable catch from private recreational snapper fisherman for themselves via the save our sector plan.



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Kind of pisses me off admiral ben. But I need to go have early morning quail hunting trip planned sure we will chat more later on. You can call me "commander" if you like.

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I was born in Penscola, raised in Pensacola. live in Pensacola. learned to fish on the orginial wooden Pensacola Beach fishing pier! Commander Mark , I am not a transfer! SoS is not asking for 60% of the RecreationalQuota! Learn the facts! Good luck Quail hunting! I will be working for the true, factual,no non sense answer to our fishing issues. Meeting with our leaders Monday to help with a solution. Hope to hear yours!

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The Admiral (3/5/2010)I was born in Penscola, raised in Pensacola. live in Pensacola. learned to fish on the orginial wooden Pensacola Beach fishing pier! Commander Mark , I am not a transfer! SoS is not asking for 60% of the RecreationalQuota! Learn the facts! Good luck Quail hunting! I will be working for the true, factual,no non sense answer to our fishing issues. Meeting with our leaders Monday to help with a solution. Hope to hear yours!

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Mr. Fairey,

According to the SOS website, the first item on the list is "Secure Our Allocation" (strange, as all you hear from the SOS guys is that it's all about accountability, but for some reason accountability is not #1 on the list). There has to be some idea of what % allocation your guys are wanting to secure - please tell us what it is. There are guys over on the 2Cool board (such as Levelwind) saying that the CFH split should be somewhere between 60-70%. Also, how can you determine any % split realistically? Using the "fatally-flawed MFRSS data"? In my opinion, we should be focusing 100% on obtaining better data - period.

It is my opinion that sector separation is simply setting the stage for implementing catch shares in the recreational sector. What's your take? According to EDF, the "tremendous success" of the commercial IFQ program is justifying the expansion of the IFQ concept, or catch shares, into the recreational sector. To quote EDF's Pam Baker; "The Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council is on the right track by considering IFQs and other catch share plans for many of its other commercial and sport fisheries that are in dire need of better management". Since EDF has partnered with the SOS group to separate the recreational sector, it seems to me that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out 2 + 2 here.

There is no need for sector separation to provide accountability - require all CFH boats to have electronic logbooks and require all private recreational fishermen to implement catch cards or reef-fish stamps. This will go a LOOONG way in getting us where we need to be without privatizing our public natural resource or re-designing our fishing infrastructure.

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"require all private recreational fishermen to implement catch cards or reef-fish stamps."

Who is sponsoring this? I have not heard one RECREATIONAL PERSONstand up at a gulf council meeting where this stuff is addressed and say give us reef-fish stamps or catch cards so we can be accountable. Is this just computer PFF talk or for real. For real takes getting out of the house and taking a stand. I want to see Recreational talk about being accountable other than keyboard talk. The One thing SOS does stand for is Accountability. Show Me Yours.
 

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Mr. Hilton,

My personal opinion on "Catch Shares" is that at this time I am neutral. A for-hire or Recreational catch share has not been explained or defined from the NMFS. So before I can make a educated decision I want to see what a for-hire catch share really is?So, I think it is premature to make opinionson catch shares now but would like for it to work through the process so we can have the opportunity to see exactly what the end result will be and then make a informed decision. Catch Shares have to come to referundum so I will continue to stay informed.

I agree with you Logbooks are a critical piece of the puzzle for the CFH. I normally do not partcipate in forums but Markw had a issue with me that I thought needed to be addressed. I type so slow it is painful. But I invite anyone to get in touch with me andIwould appreciate the opportunity to have a professional,respectful conversation on the fishing management issues facing our industry.

Capt. Ben Fairey

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I love this "the admiral" guess that is like a navy guy who is paid to be incharge of a fleet that he does not own so Ben is the paid capt for the boat that is owned by Dr. Barnes. How interesting that edf is looking to hire a new manager to run their GOM operations to take fishermen off the water. Apparently Jeff Barger hasn't produced for edf otherwise they would not need to find some else.

Ben talks about the facts, lets talk. sos supports sector separation, they support further divisions of the recreational sector to further divide us into smaller groups so we will all be easy to take out. How about the myth that sos will fast track to better data for the for-hire boats, NOT TRUE> The mrip process is currently working to create a better data system, in factthere is a proposal fora logbook system currently in the process of being funded andworking to be implemented by June 1. There are other data programs being worked on to gain better data from the pri/rec recs. These all areongoing WITHOUT sector separation. There was once the concept by sosers that a vms was necessary to track all for-hire vessels, they have now come around to understand that a vms is not the only way to determine when a boat leaves and returns to the dock nor is a vms the only was to verify this information.

The sosers will tell you about all the new signers to their concept and that over 15% of the fed permit owners are signed on, again NOT TRUE, while they have several "captains" listed on their site, like "the admiral" Ben, he does not own a permit, he is a hired captain. There are many others on the site that are also hired captains, in some cases deckhands working forthe real captain and guess what if the dh/capt does not agree to sign on he looks for another job. Now also, there are some people listed on the site who originally signed on but have since found out that the sos plan is not what they were told and have requested their names be removed. Their names are still there.

Another new concept and this came from communication between Mike Rowell from OB and jarvis where jarvis told him that the charter/commercialred snapper ifq owners and the commercial red snapper ifq owners supported thatonce the red snapper tac reached 9.12 million pounds again that they would then support have all futre increases in TAC given to the recreational sector! In other words these red snapper ifq owners will be happy with a quota of just 4.5 million pounds forever. While this is an interesting concept and actually one similar that some with CCA have proposed, it does not strike me as fully supported by all the red snapper ifq owners, especially the fish house onwers who own ifq. One reason for this concept is that the red snapper ifqowners could then keep the price of red snapper high, keeping leasing prices high, keeping the consumer pirces high, thus screwing the little guy who wants good fresh seafood at a reasonable price. Now for the charter/commercial red snapper ifq owner like jarvis, it is the best of all worlds, he gets high dollar for his commercial red snapper shares, and get more days charter fishing, how great is that???? While the regular charter guy and private angler get more days fishing those who "own" the commercial red snapper really do great.

If you pay attention to all the stuff coming out of the woodwork of sos, we learn a little more every day, you find that sos is about the small few who want to profit and benefit for themselves and screw their buddy in the process.

For thise who have not seen the many reports about he highly successful March on Washington, it was a tremendous success. Over 5,000 people from every coastal state including Alaska, from all sectors commercail and recreational, from supporting businesses, and community leaders, all standing together "UNITED" not separated, for a common goal of survival and to be able to continue to enjoy our resources. It gained more congressional attention that any effort ever. We have created a new dawn in fisheries in this country and you will see good changes soon. Some will take longer but we are very optimistic that we will see new things from congress and new activities from the managers. This effort would not have succeeded as separate groups. In fact, edf was so concerned they sent their folks, jarvis, krebs, and several others to DC to counter the effort by thousands. It did not work, which is another reason I suspect edf is looking for a new gulf manager.

Pay attention, study the facts and they are every where all you have to do is google and you can find all the info on your own. You don't need me or "the admiral" to tell you. Facts are facts period. When researching, ask Dr. Crabtree to provide you with a scenario, we have requested such and he has not provided it, to tell you if we had sector separation:

1. how many ways will the rec sector be split (pri/rec, charter 6 pak, charter more than 6, headboat, state licensed boat)

2. once you know how many ways, then what percent of each species (grouper, snapper, kings, amberjack, tunas) will each group get? Tell us what % of these fish will pri/recs get, what % will charter 6 pak get, what % headboats will get, etc)

Once this info is provided then reasonable people can decide on their own if they feel it is good for them or not. Coming from crabtree, will eliminate info from me or jarvis or "the admiral" (who really speaks from jarvis), but it comes from the horses mouth. We feel that this is a reasonable request but apparently crabtree does not want to put such info out for the public. He wants people to buy into sector separation the find out what it will do. Isn't it better to know before you buy something what you are paying for????
 

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Fairwaterfishing (3/6/2010)"require all private recreational fishermen to implement catch cards or reef-fish stamps."

Who is sponsoring this? I have not heard one RECREATIONAL PERSONstand up at a gulf council meeting where this stuff is addressed and say give us reef-fish stamps or catch cards so we can be accountable. Is this just computer PFF talk or for real. For real takes getting out of the house and taking a stand. I want to see Recreational talk about being accountable other than keyboard talk. The One thing SOS does stand for is Accountability. Show Me Yours.
Howdy,

I have been to several Gulf Council meetings over the last 4-5 years and each time I have given written and verbal testimony for the record.

We will be submitting a Plan to Council at next month's meeting regarding accountability for private recs, CFH, AND the NMFS itself.

Tom Hilton
 

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Personally I have always liked the below plan. Had a chance to discuss it in detail and make inputs into it at a meeting in in Pensacola a couple of years ago. Understand it has been updated now to include an option for Charter VMS and e-logbooks. note there is no requiremnet for a separate CHF sector

For Captain Ard -to answer your question - For me personally - given a yes or no choiceto fish Florida State waters for snapper where CFH could not or the option to have a divided recreational sector-

I personally would rather stand with you and other charter operators and not fish snapper in state waters than to have a divided sector under the save our sector plan.

As I stated before I really believe we are on the edge of the cliff of catch shares etc. EDF's involvement with the SoS plan and EDF's drive for catch shares is only pushing us closer to catch shares which will be bad for us all in the end.

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RECREATIONAL FISHERY MANAGEMENT PROPOSAL
for GULF of MEXICO REEF FISH


Presented by

A COALITION of FOR-HIRE and PRIVATE
RECREATIONAL ANGLERS FISHING the GULF of
MEXICO

January 1, 2009

This proposal is an extensive plan that provides new management alternatives for the federal
recreational (for-hire ?FH? and private recreational ?PR?) reef fish fishery in the Gulf of Mexico
(GOM). It was developed with input from many individuals (private and professional) to provide
a plan that will encompass the total federal recreational reef fish fishery while dramatically
improving current fishery data collection. This plan is multi faceted which will require several
stages of implementation that will ultimately provide real time data for all reef fish targeted by
recreational anglers in the GOM. The plan should be adapted to the data needs of the National
Marine Fisheries Services (NMFS) to be able to better manage the reef fish fishery, to control
overfishing based on improved real time data, to provide realistic fishery effort and catch data to
provide the NMFS the proper tools to address accountability measures, useable catch limits, and
improved stock assessments.
This proposal is not intended to be all inclusive and should be implemented with the ability to
modify the plan to fit current and future regulatory, legal, data needs, and stock assessment
requirements. It is specifically intended to provide new, forward thinking ideas to bring fishery
data, fishery management, stock assessments, angling ethics, and all recreational anglers into the
21st century. The goal of this proposal is to begin the process of implementation upon immediate
receipt of and discussion by the Gulf Of Mexico Fishery Management Council (Council) so that
some aspects of the proposal will be effective during the 2009 season. We realize that the
management process takes time and has legal requirements but we also feel that the current
process will allow for immediate implementation of some of our suggestions.
THE PROPOSAL
This proposal establishes a new Gulf of Mexico Angling Reporting System (GOMARS1) that will
initially require reporting information on red snapper with a web based and/or telephone reporting
system. Subsequently, a logbook reporting and if demonstrated the need exists a simple
electronic (AIS, mobile phone, web based, or other simple and unobtrusive reporting device)
system to report departing and returning to port could be implemented. The GOMARS will allow
1 Implementation of the GOMARS will require immediate action by the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council (GMFMC)
and/or the NMFS to implement a plan amendment to the current reef fish management plan to establish this angler reporting system
with all the legal requirements to ensure the regulation is required. The NMFS will have to also fast track this amendment for
implementation. In order to expedite the reporting system we suggest utilizing the interim rule process. We recommend that all states
be encouraged to require this system within their state waters for anglers wishing to target reef fish.
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for easy expansion to other reef fish species as well as other targeted species. It will also be
simple to use on vessels of all sizes and capacities. The proposal also suggests and encourages
coordination between the federal government and the states in identifying users and collecting
data, suggests angler and/or vessel aggregate harvest limits to reduce unnecessary discards thus
increasing stock biomass, should reduce interaction with other species such as marine mammals,
provides for real time regulatory accountability of harvest, and other improvements to the current
system.
? Immediately establish the Gulf of Mexico Angling Reporting System (GOMARS) as an
endorsement to the Gulf of Mexico Federal Charter/Headboat Reef Fish Permit and
require every For-Hire vessel (FH) landing red snapper to have a GOMARS onboard.
? Immediately begin the regulatory process to require a GOMARS permit for private
recreational anglers or for each private recreational vessel (PR angler or PRV) who
wishes to catch a red snapper.
? Immediately create and implement an automatic telephone reporting system (similar to
the current HMS recreational billfish telephone reporting system) and a web based
reporting system (similar to the state of VA Recreational Assessment Program reporting
system)
? The GOMARS will have an identifying number linked to a vessel (For-Hire, PRV and/or
PR angler) and will require the vessel owner?s and/or angler?s name, address, phone
number (land and/or cell). Optional owner information will be an email address for
contact. The GOMARS will provide the web link and 800 phone number for reporting.
? A condition of the GOMARS will be to require the endorsement/permit to be onboard
any vessel with recreational red snapper on board. The reporting of the catching and
landing of red snapper will be required when returning to a shore side facility either by
telephone call in or web based. (The report will provide the GOMARS number, the
number of anglers fishing for red snapper and where that fishing occurred - state or
federal waters, how many hours ? to the nearest ? hour- fished for red snapper in ? state
or federal waters, how many red snapper were harvested for each angler and location -
state or federal waters, how many red snapper were discarded and location - state or
federal waters, type of gear used (rod and reel, spear, electric or manual reel, and a
confirmation number verifying the report will be provided to the person making the
report.)
? The fee for the GOMARS endorsement/permit will be the same as an additional permit
for the FH vessel owner and shall be consistent with the HMS permit fee ($16.00) for PR
anglers or PRVs.
? The For-Hire Survey and MRFSS will continue to collect data until they are no longer
necessary.
? The current dockside interview system should be enhanced and expanded to obtain
landings data such as size and composition of landings.
? Once the GOMARS endorsement/permit is implemented and required for vessels and
anglers recreational fishing in the EEZ, the NMFS should request all Gulf states to
implement the GOMARS (or compatible state system easily coordinated with the Fed
data collection system for total coverage of federally managed species) in state waters.
There should also be the ability for the GOMARS endorsement/permit to be purchased
when purchasing a state saltwater fishing license as well as the federal web based system.
? While the GOMARS and it?s requirements are being implemented, the council should
begin the process of requiring electronic logbooks for all FH vessels and a similar
reporting system for PR anglers or PRVs. (divers possess a dive log which is water proof,
paper log, web based accessed by laptop or mobile device)
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? As the logbook programs are being developed, the GOMARS should be expanded to
cover other reef fish species as the logbooks will provide the ability to collect critical data
for all species such as disposition of discards, total number of discards, time spent fishing
for each species, fishing in state or federal waters, depth of water fished, number of hooks
per line, and other data that becomes necessary for stock assessments.
? A pilot program should be immediately designed to study using aggregate bag limits that
will eliminate discards. The program should investigate the possibility of increasing
stock biomass by reducing discards and discard mortality. This type of management will
also help to reverse the current trained behavior of marine mammals which now target
anglers for food. The program should include information to study the current behavior
of marine mammals and the impact it has on the animals and humans.
? We see no need to require VMSs on FH vessels or for PR anglers or PRVs as a VMS will
not report when a vessel is fishing, how many anglers are fishing, how many fish are
caught. This proposal provides mechanisms that accomplish everything necessary to
determine the number of anglers wishing to fish, the date fished, the number actually
fishing and for how long, the species and numbers caught, the species and numbers
discarded and if fishing in state or federal waters, and more. Until a VMS is
demonstrated to provide scientifically sound information necessary for enhanced stock
assessments, it should not be required.
? The NMFS should coordinate with DHS and USCG regarding any electronic tracking
systems.
? Enforcement should be enhanced as vessels harvesting red snapper must have a
GOMARS endorsement/permit on board.
? Last, but most definitely not the least important is outreach and education to publicize the
need for all recreational anglers to participate in providing good fishing data.
CONCLUSION
While this proposal does not provide 100% of the recreational data needs, it is a very positive first
step that will provide much needed data from all recreational anglers. Implementing this plan as
proposed will provide the data necessary to identify the effort, the number of fish harvested, and
number of fish discarded almost immediately. It also provides for full accountability for all
recreational anglers. Technology advances almost daily and any program adopted must be able to
be flexible enough to adapt with ever increasing data needs and technology. With the current and
past requirements of fishery law, we are dependent on accurate and timely data. This proposal
begins that process and we suggest that if all components of this plan are adopted that the
information necessary to properly comply with the law will ensure that the anglers and
communities suffer less harm and confusion. We suggest that the simplest components of this
plan be adopted first while effort continues on the implementation of the more time consuming
proposals.
 
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