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ELECTION TIME COMING UP AROUND THE CORNER, THATS WHY YOU'RE HEARING A LITTLE PEEP FROM THEM. GUESS YOU GOVERNOR WILL SOUND OFF ON THIS ONE AS WELL, EVEN THOUGHT HE NEVER RESPONDED TO ANY OF MY LETTERS OF PROTEST ON FISHING ISSUES THE PAST TWO YEARS. OF COURSE I'M SURE HE WILL GET THE SENATE SEAT BECAUSE FISHING MATTERS DON'T HAVE ANY INFLUENCE ON THE WAY MOST PEOPLE VOTE.

I KNOWTHIS WILL MAKE A BUNCH OF YOU MAD, BUTREMEMBER, CRIST HAD THE POWER TO PUT THE BRAKES ON THESE CLOSURES AND NEW LIMITS AND RESTRICTIONSIN STATE WATERS. GO AHEAD AND DEFEND HIM ALL YOU WANT, I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR HIM TO CLEAN SEWERS LET ALONE BE A SENATOR REPRESENTING ME.

STATES RIGHTS ARE CONSTITUTIONAL.
 

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It's unfortunate, but when a segment ofthe American people keep asking for more government, every American gets more government. Government bureaucrats, by their very nature, live to expand their own power. It's how they measure their success.

Federal bureaucrats are like cockroaches. There's no such thing as one, and when they're in your house they're in every room...every cupboard and corner. When people elect leaders who promise more government interference in our lives, they're fools to believe that the limits those politicians promise during the election will be the limits they restrict themselves to once elected.

<SPAN class=body ZoEeN="0" GCq4w="0">"Bureaucracies are inherently antidemocratic. Bureaucrats derive their power from their position in the structure, not from their relations with the people they are supposed to serve. The people are not masters of the bureaucracy, but its clients."
<SPAN class=bodybold> ~ Alan Keyes

<SPAN class=bodybold>In America, our government was established to serve the people. Our founding fathers were terribly concerned about the possibility of a large and intrusive government. They wrote the Bill of Rights specifically to prevent the federal government from growing beyond certain specified limits. Unfortunately, those limits are meaningless in this country today. Violating the Constitutionis nothing more than"daily business" at the federal level. Every time the government gets larger, the power of "we the people" gets smaller. It doesn't matter if we're talking about your liberty to catch a fish, or to keep the fruits of your own labor. Little by little...and much faster lately...we are being enslaved.

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CHICO (10/22/2009)whatever, I like cow doctors response, tell them how it really is. I mean can you not swear in a letter to these guys? Short and sweat or long and sweat is out of the question for these retards. I just want to kick a few people in the FACE right now, I did not but my boat to pleasure ride, I hate that.
Believe it or not, it was rather common for early Americans to "get in the face" of their elected representatives. But the point of keeping foul language out of your communications today, is because you don't want to give the elected person receiving your letter that "easy excuse" to dismiss you.

It's common for bureaucrats and elected officials to simply ignore you if you become "coarse" in your speaking or writing. It's arrogance to do it, in my opinion. But it's the way government works these days. I'm not suggesting you have no right to swear at a congressman. I'm just saying that if you want your voice heard you'll be more effective if you keep your discussion civil.
 

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Let's try to stay focused. This is about the closure, and/or restrictions, on the recreational fishermen's lifestyle, which in turn controls billions of dollars poured into the economy affecting thousands of jobs relating to the recreational fishing industry.
 

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<H2>How old is THAT picture??? I mean really? He got a degree in 1976, a year before I was born, and yet he looks younger than I do.</H2>

With any luck, I can piece together all the addresses for these knuckleheads....<H2></H2><H2>Dr. Roy E. Crabtree
Regional Administrator, Southeast Region</H2>

Dr. Crabtree has served as Regional Administrator for the Southeast Region since January 2003. Previously he served as a senior research scientist at the Florida Marine Research Institute. His managerial experience includes operating his own fishing guide business in the Florida Keys and Everglades National Park, serving as a Fishery Management Specialist with NOAA Fisheries' Southeast Region, and, most recently, serving as Director of the Division of Marine Fisheries with the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. Spanning more than 15 years of State and Federal Government service, Dr. Crabtree has gathered broad experience as a natural resource manager. He has authored or coauthored 36 scientific publications and six selected unpublished assessments, and has provided input on numerous fisheries management plans for the Gulf of Mexico, South Atlantic, and Caribbean. He earned his doctorate in marine science from the College of William and Mary in 1984, a master's degree in marine science from the University of South Carolina in 1978, and a bachelor's degree in biology from Furman University in 1976.
 

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he still looks like a [email protected]#$

noaa can lose

http://www.stoel.com/showalert.aspx?Show=2283

might be someone to contact WHEN we make it to the litigation phase

we need some big guns on our side. i was thinking maybe the state of texas. they seem to be the only ones standing up to these idiots.

everyone keeps saying dont elect this guy or that, who do we vote for? in the case of crist maybe would could hold his vote hostage contingent on action. he is already in a position of power. i have been saying all along he has his eyes on the potus position.
 

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I agree with angus cow, A lawsuite with all of us backing it, hell even our coworkers and freinds who don't fish, have em sign a petition. That's a great Idea!!!!!!!!! I wonder if this is how the Indians felt back in the day? when gov said you cant hunt here anymore ,get out!
 

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wonder if a GOOD attorney would be interested in doing this for some kind of contingency, i kinda doubt it. this means we need funds.
 

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At the end of this link is the lawyers names that beat NMFS back in 2007:

http://www.stoel.com/showalert.aspx?Show=2283

Finally, the Court upheld Judge Redden?s remand order in its entirety, including the collaborative remand process, the periodic status conferences, and NOAA Fisheries? obligation to prepare a "failure report" in the event the action agencies fail to produce a proposed action or a reasonable and prudent alternative that avoids jeopardy. If triggered, the failure report obligates NOAA Fisheries to advise the court of those additional measures, including the breaching of dams, that may be necessary to achieve a valid no-jeopardy finding.

If you have any questions about this update or if you would like our assistance in connection with this matter, please contact your Stoel Rives lawyer or one of the following attorneys:

Barbara D. Craig, [email protected], (503) 294-9166
Beth S. Ginsberg, [email protected], (206) 386-7581
Cherise M. Oram, [email protected], (206) 386-7622
Kevin J. Beaton, [email protected], (208) 387-4214
Barbara A. Brenner, [email protected], (916) 319-4676
Martin K. Banks, [email protected], (801) 578-6975

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<SUP>1</SUP> Beth S. Ginsberg, Cherise M. Oram and Barbara D. Craig are partners in Stoel Rives, LLP where they focus their practice on environmental, natural resources and wildlife law, with an emphasis on ESA regulatory and litigation matters. Ms. Ginsberg and Ms. Craig are currently representing the BPA Customer Group in the ongoing District Court litigation regarding the FCRPS biological opinion. Ms. Ginsberg is a former litigator for the U.S. Department of Justice, Environment and Natural Resources Division, a former Senior Political Advisor to an Assistant Administrator at the Environmental Protection Agency, and since joining private practice has been consistently voted a "super lawyer," while recently being named one of the Fifty Top Women Lawyers in Washington by Washington Law & Politics. Ms. Craig is the General Counsel of the Northwest Hydroelectric Association, is a Board Member of the Oregon Board of Forestry and was formerly a judicial clerk for the Oregon District Court where she focused on ESA and National Environmental Policy Act issues. Ms. Oram is past Chair of the American Bar Association?s Endangered Species Committee, is current Chair of the Energy Bar Association?s Hydropower Committee, and was formerly an attorney for NOAA Fisheries? Southwest Regional Office where she advised the National Marine Fisheries Service on ESA and hydropower issues.
 

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A lawsuit has already been filed by the FRA in May. They are asking for rec fisherman to support them by becoming a member or giving a donation in doing so you are helping with the legal fees to fight the battle. They have a page setup for donations. I'm sure any amount of donation would be welcomed.See link below to view thefiled complaint.

http://www.thefra.org/FRA%2030B%20Complaint.htm
 

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i was talking with a buddy last night about trying to find a way to fund the fight against the feds. I would venture to bet that almost everyone that fishes for bottom fish would be willing to take the money it costs for a days worth of fishing, and contribute it to a good cause, ie litigation against the government, or lobbyiest (sp?), or a single organization that's primary goal is to fight for our cause. How do we get everyone on the coast from galveston, to key west on the same page?
 

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The LaJess II (10/24/2009)A lawsuit has already been filed by the FRA in May. They are asking for rec fisherman to support them by becoming a member or giving a donation in doing so you are helping with the legal fees to fight the battle. They have a page setup for donations. I'm sure any amount of donation would be welcomed.See link below to view thefiled complaint.



http://www.thefra.org/FRA%2030B%20Complaint.htm


I will be glad to donate when I see something on their page about AJ and snapper. I wrote the head of RFA last night about these issues
 

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The lawsuit pertains to all species. It's about making them change the way they are collecting and usingflawed data. Flawed data is why we are having some many closures.
 

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I would gladly join FRA if they will be more prolific in the lawsuits. I just emailed them and asked several questions which I thought were important to me.

I want to see a class action lawsuit leveled against NMFS for the brevity of red snapper season as well as early closure of Amberjack. If the name of every fisherman willing to donate to the cause would be listed as litigant, I GUARANTEE there would be people coming out of the woodwork to sign up. Damages would be awarded as economic loss of catch potential during the days that the season SHOULD have lasted.

I want to cause NMFS as much grief as they have caused me. Bog them down in numerous lawsuits. Seems much more effective than a single suit. Just need more lawyers is all.

 
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