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Official commentfrom the Gulf Council about the potential for fish traps coming back to Gulf Waters,

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We are in the process of preparing a scoping document (the first step in preparing a plan amendment) to address the need for a rebuilding plan for the overfished gag stock in the Gulf of Mexico as well as adjustments to the annual catch limits and associated management measures for gag and red grouper. At the October Council meeting, the Council voted to add some other issues to the scoping document, including consideration of making fish traps an allowable gear. Inclusion of an issue in the scoping document does not mean that the Council has decided to proceed with the action, only that they are putting out the idea for public comment.

We will be scheduling scoping meetings between now and February and one of the meetings will be in the Florida Keys, although the exact location and date have not yet been determined. A scoping document is the starting point in developing a plan amendment. It does not present alternatives but defines issues and seeks public input on how to deal with the issues. This scoping document for Amendment 32 will seek public input on the following:

- Rebuilding plan for the overfished gag stock

- Adjustments to annual catch limits (ACL), annual catch targets (ACT) and accountability measures (AM) for gag and red grouper.

- Adjustments to commercial red grouper and gag management measures (including IFQ quota adjustments)

- Adjustments to recreational red grouper and gag management measures (including closed seasons, bag limits, size limits)

- Ways to reduce bycatch mortality, particularly for gag, including possible approaches such as:

-Recreational ? keep first x fish caught

-Recreational - fish tags (either as an effort limitation program or for data collection only)

-Recreational/Commercial ? time/area closures in areas and seasons with high gag concentrations

-Commercial ? bycatch quotas

-Commercial ? bycatch IFQ

Other ideas from the public

Other issues

Sector separation between for-hire and private recreational

Consideration of fish traps as allowable gear

There may be other issues as well.

Steven Atran Population Dynamics Statistician Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council 2203 North Lois Avenue, Suite 1100 Tampa, Florida 33607-2389 Tel: (813) 348-1630 ext 227 Fax: (813) 348-1711 [email protected] http://www.gulfcouncil.org
 

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I would like to have a fish trap. I wonder if they might consider charterboats on this one. It would damn sure save on bait, and with some of them tourist that can't catch there ass, it would help us have a more consistant catch on the dock.

Na Im just kidding every body that works for me, including myself, is too lazy to pull a trap.
 

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It is interesting after the longline experiments and clousure of AJ season today...I have a suggestion that would solve the bulk of the problems..ban all commercial fishing yielding to farm raised species thus yeildng a healthy developing naturalfish population free of the undersize harvesting and excessive pressure put on stocks by the antiquated all to hungry commercial group..save the charter group fo course...this would have to be accompanied by buffer zones for wetlands and buffered controled fertilization by agricultural interests..like that is going to happen in our dollar worshipping control mechanisims..but we all know the recreational fisherman are to blame for everything...right?
 

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glad you can see humor in the possibility of grouper fishing with traps coming back to the Gulf after being pushed out of the Gulf.

As I am sure youknow the issue is that traps can be lost and or abandoned and end up being the gift that keeps on killing with one grouper after another swimming into an abandoned trap in deep water and becoming unable to get free then starving to death.

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With all of these stupid plans being proposed, I say we just go back to using dynamite and have scheduled blasts in the gulf. I can see it now:

NMFS-----"At 1:00pm Saturday on 5/1/2015 on the coordinates of 30.85.309 and 87.68.985, there will be a blast occurring. Any boats that wantto harvest fish please come and bring your extra large dip net. All the fish will be divided up as follows: Commercial guys-51%, Charter boat guys-47%, Rec guys-2%"

Freaking retarded!
 

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markw4321 (10/25/2009)Fairwater

glad you can see humor in the possibility of grouper fishing with traps coming back to the Gulf after being pushed out of the Gulf.

As I am sure youknow the issue is that traps can be lost and or abandoned and end up being the gift that keeps on killing with one grouper after another swimming into an abandoned trap in deep water and becoming unable to get free then starving to death.

Mark W

Mark W, I can find humor in a train wreck. Its the only think that keeps me from going insane.

 

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The trap idea is for sure a bad one but I am a little excited about this:

"Ways to reduce bycatch mortality, particularly for gag, including possible approaches such as:

-Recreational ? keep first x fish caught"

I really hope they go this route for Grouper, Snapper and any other deep water fish. Most all of the throw backs are going to die whether you vent them or not (venting helps them sink, not swim) the damage is already done.
 

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Like a bad penny, a proposal to re-introduce fish traps as an alternative to longline gear in the Gulf grouper fishery turned up before the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council in December, outraging conservationists and fisheries management veterans who had fought to banish the destructive gear from the Gulf back in the 1990s. Fortunately for the fish and the anglers who care about them, the proposal died a quick death this week when the Council voted unanimously to remove the proposal from Amendment 32 to the gag/red grouper management plan that is going forward this year.
?This was truly an alarming detour into the scrap heap of failed fishery management schemes, but thankfully there are enough people who remember how much time, effort and money it took to finally get fish traps out of the Gulf to make sure they are never used again,? said Jeff Allen, chairman of CCA Florida. ?However, if the environmental community is working with longliners to propose fish traps, we all need to remain vigilant because there is no telling what might come next.?
An unusual alliance of environmental groups and commercial longliners had originally explored the use of fish traps as a trade-off for the removal of equally destructive longline gear which is killing excessive numbers of threatened loggerhead sea turtles. One by one, other environmental groups in the effort came to oppose the use of the traps as more information on their destructiveness came to light. However, Environmental Defense Fund and several commercial fishing organizations such as the Southern Offshore Fishing Association, Gulf of Mexico Reef Fish Shareholders Alliance and the Gulf Fishermen?s Association continued to press for the use of fish traps in return for reducing the longline fishing effort.
?Substituting one harmful gear for another harmful gear that has already been banned in U.S. waters in the Gulf of Mexico and South Atlantic is completely unacceptable,? said Russell Nelson, CCA?s Gulf Fisheries consultant. ?Dr. Roy Crabtree, NOAA regional administrator, noted enforcement officers? testimony on the extreme difficulty of enforcing any regulations on fish traps and stated that those concerns were very legitimate factors in the Council?s decision.?
An army of CCA members and other concerned conservationists turned out at public hearings across the Gulf Coast in January to testify against the proposal and left no doubt that recreational anglers are committed to preventing the gear from ever being reintroduced back into the Gulf.
?The Council should be commended for slamming the door on this ill-conceived effort,? said Allen. ?We hope this signals that future discussions will focus on finding ways to reduce destructive commercial fishing effort to the greatest extent possible.?

This is an action item in the CCA Newsroom. If you would like to make a comment on this article, you may do so here:

http://www.joincca.org/media%20room/...s_rejected.htm

Mark W
 

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This falls under, there are no stupid questions...



Keep first x fish caught. Is the "x" to represent a predetermined number?
 

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SaltAddict (2/5/2010)This falls under, there are no stupid questions...

Keep first x fish caught. Is the "x" to represent a predetermined number?
I would thinkthe number would be set annually.

I agree with this in principle although it would be impossible to keep some people from throwing back small fish on private boats. The porpoises are getting too many, waaayy too many.
 
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