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Tons of shortages in vocational jobs....wish I was young enough to get back into turnin' wrenches...loved being an airplane mech...now I wrench on my bike
 

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One thing I always wondered about along these lines, when did young folks stop being willing to move away from home for the bigger money? If a young person can stay at home and have a good job that's great but that is seldom the case, especially around military bases where there is a large supply of highly trained retirees/recruits for jobs. I have seen so many young couples pass on opportunities because the wife or husband were unwilling to move away.
 

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One thing I always wondered about along these lines, when did young folks stop being willing to move away from home for the bigger money? If a young person can stay at home and have a good job that's great but that is seldom the case, especially around military bases where there is a large supply of highly trained retirees/recruits for jobs. I have seen so many young couples pass on opportunities because the wife or husband were unwilling to move away.
It happened when the GenX generation had kids. They saw their parents neglect them for the almighty dollar and “success” and decided they would not do that to their own kids. The Millenial generation is much the same as they saw their GenX parents value family time over lots of “stuff.”
 

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I started off in the electrical field working for my grandfather's electrical business. There are a ton of commercial buildings from Pensacola to Navarre that I've wired up. I still feel pride when I see those buildings!

I did decide to go to college, but I had an academic scholarship that didn't put me in debt and I went for EE. My grandfather eventually sat back as the owner raking in the money looking over plans as a master electrician!

If I still had the time I enjoyed doing the side work for electrical jobs. My degree did propel me. But engineering degrees still tend too.

But no one seems to know how to even change their own light bulbs. And you can charge a killing for today's generation that can't do crap themselves!

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I started off in the electrical field working for my grandfather's electrical business. There are a ton of commercial buildings from Pensacola to Navarre that I've wired up. I still feel pride when I see those buildings!

I did decide to go to college, but I had an academic scholarship that didn't put me in debt and I went for EE. My grandfather eventually sat back as the owner raking in the money looking over plans as a master electrician!

If I still had the time I enjoyed doing the side work for electrical jobs. My degree did propel me. But engineering degrees still tend too.

But no one seems to know how to even change their own light bulbs. And you can charge a killing for today's generation that can't do crap themselves!

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Electrician buddy of mine had a contractor he had worked for ask him to go bid a job that he didn’t have time to do. Told my buddy to quote what ever price he wanted. After looking at building and all the things the owner wanted my buddy told the guy that he couldn’t give him a set price but he would do the work for $195/hour plus the same rate for a second electrician and $25/hour for the 2 helpers thinking there was no way the owner would go for it
Well tho owner said great when can you start, 9 months and many thousands of dollars later he finally told the owner he had other jobs he had to get to and walked away tired of all the changes the owner kept making
The other electrician took over and about a year later finally got it done

Some folks have more money than sense



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It happened when the GenX generation had kids. They saw their parents neglect them for the almighty dollar and “success” and decided they would not do that to their own kids. The Millenial generation is much the same as they saw their GenX parents value family time over lots of “stuff.”
What does family time have with taking a job opportunity in another state. You take your wife and kids with you, if you have them. Staying in an area because of parents (most cases) isn't necessarily the way to, depending on the job market in the area. Your family is wife and kids in this situation. My wife always said home is where we were with our kids.

My wife and I took a job opportunity in our mid twenties that took us 5000 miles from our parents that completely changed our lives, financially and otherwise.

My kids have never suffered from me chasing the $$ and better retirement.

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It happened when the GenX generation had kids. They saw their parents neglect them for the almighty dollar and “success” and decided they would not do that to their own kids. The Millenial generation is much the same as they saw their GenX parents value family time over lots of “stuff.”
The population for the most part is “different” now, basically, kids are lazy, “we” have made life waaaaaay to easy for them. Technology has advanced and not all for the good, The days of “I can’t wait till I’m 18 so I can move out” are over with, now them suckers wanna milk mom and dad till they’re 30..... I work with a bunch of young folks, you can’t even give em a good butt chewing anymore because they get their feelings hurt, some of these kids are just pathetic, they need a good dose of “oilfield” work to get em back to reality.
 

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What does family time have with taking a job opportunity in another state. You take your wife and kids with you, if you have them. Staying in an area because of parents (most cases) isn't necessarily the way to, depending on the job market in the area. Your family is wife and kids in this situation. My wife always said home is where we were with our kids.

My wife and I took a job opportunity in our mid twenties that took us 5000 miles from our parents that completely changed our lives, financially and otherwise.

My kids have never suffered from me chasing the $$ and better retirement.

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It's a nice to have if you can stay around extended family with little ones! But some folks are just wired to not better themselves with a move for some reason! My wife is one of those folks, she is willing to live in poverty if that meant being next to or close to her parents!

While I on the other hand is wired to keep advancing to better our lives for my wife and my kids! Moving to Charleston, SC was the greatest thing that happened to me even though it was forced on me by a military BRAC action! It opened our eyes that living away from the extended family was just fine!

Kids are more resilient than most give them credit for! It's usually the parents that keep their mind stuck! I am where I am because I value job security over the overall paycheck! I'm playing the long game for the health care and retirement system as a federal employee.

I could go out and almost double my salary by working for Lockheed or Raytheon, or Boeing! But as the government contracts come and go so do employees.

But when I was in the commercial electrical field I knew Electricians that moved state to state almost yearly chasing that money! Some did quite well! I know one guy that did it with his family and he retired at 52 and has not worked another day since! He worked hard and saved a lot. Lived comfortable and now he has a place on the water down in Rocky Bayou area of Niceville! He earned it!

My generation and younger are just lazy sometimes and feel too intimidated to get out of their little comfort zone bubble! If I wasn't over the hump towards my full civil service retirement, I'd be telling my wife and kids that we are moving to Tuscon, AZ or Orlando, FL for better money. Been offered it! But loosing what I've invested in civil service now is a no brainer now to stay where I'm at.

I grew up with folks that took 8 years to complete college and lived on mommy and daddy's money and couldn't find a job!

I'm a firm believer in what Mike Rowe says: Don't follow your passion! Take your passion where ever you go. Meaning, go follow the money and take your passion to that job! You can make any job work for you most of the time if you have the right attitude!

The days of “I can’t wait till I’m 18 so I can move out” are over with, now them suckers wanna milk mom and dad till they’re 30.....
No kidding! I know of high school kids that turn 16 and have no desire to get their license and get a car! They don't have any drive to get out on their own and have the freedom it gives them. It blows my mind. I couldn't wait for the freedom of driving and moving out. I moved out just before my 19th birthday! Lived on my own and went to college on my own merits and my own dime! My parents had money to pay for my college! But they said I was on my own! I paid for my own first vehicle too! They said get a job! I did! They calculated how much I would make in one year! Took 80% of that and said that's what they would loan me for a vehicle! I paid them back over that year by giving them 80% of my paycheck. The other 20% was for gas and insurance and the little bit of pennies left to socialize at 16-17 years old. When I paid off that truck in that year, it was the greatest feeling ever!

But while my buddies where partying over summer I was sweating my ass off wiring up grocery stores, condos, school remodels, and more! I wired up the Publix on 9 mile by UWF from start to finish. It was an Albertsons then! Still gives me pride to walk in there and see all the lights on that I wired and hung etc...
 

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The population for the most part is “different” now, basically, kids are lazy, “we” have made life waaaaaay to easy for them. Technology has advanced and not all for the good, The days of “I can’t wait till I’m 18 so I can move out” are over with, now them suckers wanna milk mom and dad till they’re 30..... I work with a bunch of young folks, you can’t even give em a good butt chewing anymore because they get their feelings hurt, some of these kids are just pathetic, they need a good dose of “oilfield” work to get em back to reality.



A buddy of mine has a lawn company and the kids are about to make him have a heart attack, you can't yell at them at all or they fold up. My Dad was super tuff on me but I am glad he was.


I agree with Spoony a little, we Gen-X did fend for ourselves but that is made us what we are, but we spoiled the kids and ruined them but not all. I know some millennial that are good guys and hard workers but its an exception.
 

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A lot of the new generation gets grouped in to "millennial"... millennials are now in there upper 30s to mid 20s... while we're not perfect, we're much better then these soft skinned gen Zs...

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I'm like one of those LBGQXTZs, not sure what I am.

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Skilled trades are great, but it's not plug and play. Six figure electrician jobs wont be plentiful, they'll be out there for a lucky few I'd guess. I work with a lot of young A&P mechanics, went to accredited schools and all. Several of them came from places making 15,17, 20 bucks an hour. If you ask me, that just isn't enough for the responsibility of working on aircraft. There are people working in retail making that. There are awesome aviation jobs out there, like UPS. But, they're extremely selective, not local, spend five years making average wages then jump up to the "as seen on TV" rate everyone wants. Skilled trades will always be solid choices and more and more in demand, but unless you work for yourself, I doubt youd ever get close to six figures.
 

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My point is that, in many ways, the GenX crowd went the opposite direction of their parents. They decided they did not want their kids to be latch key kids and valued family stability and quality time over making money. The reason we have "soft" kids (and that is a generalization) is because the GenX reaction to feeling abandoned went overboard by making kids the center of the universe. Again, this is a generalization, but it is accurate.
 

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My point is that, in many ways, the GenX crowd went the opposite direction of their parents. They decided they did not want their kids to be latch key kids and valued family stability and quality time over making money. The reason we have "soft" kids (and that is a generalization) is because the GenX reaction to feeling abandoned went overboard by making kids the center of the universe. Again, this is a generalization, but it is accurate.
I agree with the first part and I honestly don't think that valuing family over money is a bad thing! But the ability of a family unit (extended) to stay put has kind of went the way of a single income family these days. It's like you can have one or the other! Stay and somehow survive among the family unit or split off and move around to chase a career! It's a choice and not everyone is the same.

I hope I am raising kids that are not the center of the universe, yet teaching them the value of family! I guess I'll find out in years to come!

I for one see quite a few young people realizing that in order to make something of themselves, they are having to take that leap and move! But they are typically single and not tied down to a significant other yet! I get interns from all over the country willing to relocate into my career field here! They are taking a huge leap to come here for a small time in hopes that it leads to something better.

But back to the original part of this post. Jobs are out there! You do have to be willing to relocate to usually take advantage of them though!
 

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My point is that, in many ways, the GenX crowd went the opposite direction of their parents. They decided they did not want their kids to be latch key kids and valued family stability and quality time over making money. The reason we have "soft" kids (and that is a generalization) is because the GenX reaction to feeling abandoned went overboard by making kids the center of the universe. Again, this is a generalization, but it is accurate.



 
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