its a permit and the small ones are not that uncomon here especialy in the late summer to early fall u are not likely to catch 1 but there may be 10 to 40 caught most years they are rarely over 5 lbs but around 5 or 6 years ago there were 2 weeks in febuary where 10 or 15 were caught in destin harbor all between 8 and 12 lbs fish do wiered things where they came from that year or where they went is a mystery most i heard were reliesed to bad none were tagged but there are no finces fish swim so who knows