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Caught my reds on 36" steel leaders. Last week when I caught the two, I used frozen cigar minnows. This past weekend nobody had cigars, so I used frozen Northern Mackeral. They seemed to like them just as much as the cigars so I might just keep on using the mackeral..... Even when using live bait, I use the 36" leaders. Course now I got to get some more since the reds and the sting ray took my last three....