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Considering the 26 Shamrock as a possible buy. Before we drive 400 miles to look at one, wondering if anyone in the area has one that we might be able to look at? Thanks
Anyone have a 26 Shamrock Mackinnaw?
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I had a 2000 26' Shamrock Express Walkaround... good strong HEAVY boat.
A couple things. If you try one, spend some time coming dockside and leaving the dock. A single inboard can be tough to maneuver in tight spaces.
With an inboard obviously your prop is no longer your rudder. Your ACTUAL rudder is almost useless at idle speeds (just not enough flow across it for it to become effective) You can artificially add effectiveness going forward using the prop wash across it. But at idle the small flow in reverse does almost nothing.
Think a waterfoil.
It'll turn one way but NOT the other pretty well in reverse due to precession (plus p-factor ?) based on prop rotation. So you'll learn to use that to your advantage.
You can also spin it on a dime going forward by putting the rudder hard over, bumping it into forward, looking to turn the bow, as soon as you also get a little forward movement too, bump it in reverse, just long enough to stop any forward movement, the bump it back into forward, then reverse...
You're looking to get the bow to turn but the boat to not move forward. With a little practice and no wind you can spin the boat on a dime. With wind you are at the mercy of the wind. Sometimes it helps, sometime it hurts. When it hurts you've got your hands full.
So play with it in tight spaces, reversing, and tight turning.
Also, it can dutch roll a lot in a following sea due to the big keel. Play with it into waves and with a following sea.
It's NOT an outboard boat and takes some learning.
It will also act like a big ship and lean to port while making a starboard turn.
It can also be difficult to work on the motor and hydraulics yourself. You'll need to crawl into a 4' engine space, or duck into a small hatch aft to work on the steering.
I bought it when I was about 44 years old and enjoyed working on it. I sold it a couple years ago when my 55 year old body said no more.
Here's a GREAT site where you can ask any question.
http://www.fishtheclassic.net/forums/
Jim
PS... My gas model raw water cooled (5.7L GM Block PCM Marine modified) cruised at about 22 knots and got about 1.9 gph at about 3600 rpm. Max speed 28 knots at 4900 rpm. Draft was about 3 feet.
A couple things. If you try one, spend some time coming dockside and leaving the dock. A single inboard can be tough to maneuver in tight spaces.
With an inboard obviously your prop is no longer your rudder. Your ACTUAL rudder is almost useless at idle speeds (just not enough flow across it for it to become effective) You can artificially add effectiveness going forward using the prop wash across it. But at idle the small flow in reverse does almost nothing.
Think a waterfoil.
It'll turn one way but NOT the other pretty well in reverse due to precession (plus p-factor ?) based on prop rotation. So you'll learn to use that to your advantage.
You can also spin it on a dime going forward by putting the rudder hard over, bumping it into forward, looking to turn the bow, as soon as you also get a little forward movement too, bump it in reverse, just long enough to stop any forward movement, the bump it back into forward, then reverse...
You're looking to get the bow to turn but the boat to not move forward. With a little practice and no wind you can spin the boat on a dime. With wind you are at the mercy of the wind. Sometimes it helps, sometime it hurts. When it hurts you've got your hands full.
So play with it in tight spaces, reversing, and tight turning.
Also, it can dutch roll a lot in a following sea due to the big keel. Play with it into waves and with a following sea.
It's NOT an outboard boat and takes some learning.
It will also act like a big ship and lean to port while making a starboard turn.
It can also be difficult to work on the motor and hydraulics yourself. You'll need to crawl into a 4' engine space, or duck into a small hatch aft to work on the steering.
I bought it when I was about 44 years old and enjoyed working on it. I sold it a couple years ago when my 55 year old body said no more.
Here's a GREAT site where you can ask any question.
http://www.fishtheclassic.net/forums/
Jim
PS... My gas model raw water cooled (5.7L GM Block PCM Marine modified) cruised at about 22 knots and got about 1.9 gph at about 3600 rpm. Max speed 28 knots at 4900 rpm. Draft was about 3 feet.
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He didn't ask for a driving lesson, he asked if anybody had one he could look at.
There was one at Southwind Marina, a couple of years ago. I think the owner lived in one of those two story condos in the marina.
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Just looked....
If it's the one available in Jacksonville, that one has a bow thruster. If it works it makes most all my advice about maneuvering in close quarters OBE.
Nice looking boat. LOW hours.
I was happy with the fit and trim of my Shamrock. I'd buy another.
They are no longer made. I would not worry about that though.
Jim
That Shamrock website is probably the BEST I've been on for information and no BS.
If it's the one available in Jacksonville, that one has a bow thruster. If it works it makes most all my advice about maneuvering in close quarters OBE.
Nice looking boat. LOW hours.
I was happy with the fit and trim of my Shamrock. I'd buy another.
They are no longer made. I would not worry about that though.
Jim
That Shamrock website is probably the BEST I've been on for information and no BS.
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And your comment was SOOOO much more helpful?? Jim was trying to give decent advise.......
There's a 26ft walk around in Orange Beach. Closest Mackinaw for sale is about 400 miles away - at least that I could find. This may be the one you're referring to, but best I could do.
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2003-Shamrock-Mackinaw-102188724
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2003-Shamrock-Mackinaw-102188724
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I welcome all additional information about the single engine keel driven Shamrocks. The docking issue is very much of interest. Appreciate the tips for that. Of particular interest are the 26 hardtops and 26 mackinaws. Want to add a Kangaroo rig for some shrimping hence getting aboard one of the hardtops or mackinaws in the 26 series would be of big help to us before we drive 400 miles to look at one of them with the diesel engine in it. If the deck configuration doesn't lend itself to the kangaroo shrimp rig, not use going on the road trip. The express, later 27 Macs, and the walkarounds were different, in some cases it was the hull as well as the cabin. Looking for keel hull for stability at anchor and cabin type with at least V bunks and a head. Also looking at 27 Sport Craft, Albins with straight drive, and Deltas. Must be trailerable and with a diesel, preferable the 6bta Cummins. But will consider Yanmar and Perkins--cruise 15 knots. Must be trailerable, up to 10 foot beam. If more than 10 would consider it if the engine, price, etc. were good. Thanks
I have joined the Shamrock site and searching there for info as well. Also joined the Albin site. But looking for the selected model of those boats in the area so could get a look at them to see if worth driving xxxx miles to try to buy one. Hence, my question. Thanks
I have joined the Shamrock site and searching there for info as well. Also joined the Albin site. But looking for the selected model of those boats in the area so could get a look at them to see if worth driving xxxx miles to try to buy one. Hence, my question. Thanks
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shamrock or albin
Well, just found out Shamrock was sold, even though still listed for sale.
POP Yacht listed it but can't seem to get it off other sites that are showing their ad. So be it. Will keep looking. Thanks for the help thus far. Probably be back when we find another one that is far away and need some help.
Well, just found out Shamrock was sold, even though still listed for sale.
POP Yacht listed it but can't seem to get it off other sites that are showing their ad. So be it. Will keep looking. Thanks for the help thus far. Probably be back when we find another one that is far away and need some help.
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I'd welcome personal experience advice off the PFF a lot more than from the guy selling the boat or from some dealer.
Great info Jim, I mean that's what this forum is for right.
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My son owns that one. I love the boat. 18-20 kts, fish all day on 20 gallons. It has a 250 b series cummins. In 2-3 ft seas it's fine anything bigger and I want my boat.
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Do NOT mess with Pop Yachts, I've heard much bad stuff on them
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Good story... the first time I wanted to replace the exhaust manifolds on my Raw Water Cooled inboard, I tried as I might. I got one side off. The other side I got 4 bolts out but finally stripped the last two bolt heads into a circle. Using every stupid stripped bolt puller remedy I could find.
So I tried to at least to mount the new manifold on the one side.
I tried to put the new cast iron 30 pound manifold in place, by bending over into the 4 ' space trying to hold the manifold against the block then finding the bolt hole with the new bolt.
After a couple hours of back breaking labor in the summer, I gave up.
I asked here (well the old Fish the Bridge Forum) for help.
fishnfool responded and offered to come over and have a look. In 15 minutes he had grinded off the last two bolt heads and had both new manifolds installed.
After the second manifold was off, he took the bolts with the grounded off heads, placed them in a couple holes in the block with a few turns, then used them as a rack and hung the new manifolds over them. Installed 4 new bolts, removed the old shaved bolts, then installed 2 more new ones. Did the same on the second side.
I was trained as an engineer, I'm a pilot. I'm just a little below average with tools. I was IMPRESSED with a guy who knew a motor and tools
The next couple times I could do the same... in about an hour.
Thanks, Bill
Jim
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My experience with POP hasn't been the best either. One call on a boat I was referred to a fellow that didn't know squat about the boat, engines etc. Try to snow me with information that I knew wasn't possible with that boat and engine set up.
On another boat I filled in the blanks and asked for information and they never responded. Finally called them and than they told me the boat had been sold. I suggested they clear the listing, but they sort of laughed that off as not being possible. That may be the case for their listing with other sellers such as boatquest, but if so, there ought to be a fix for it.
On another boat I filled in the blanks and asked for information and they never responded. Finally called them and than they told me the boat had been sold. I suggested they clear the listing, but they sort of laughed that off as not being possible. That may be the case for their listing with other sellers such as boatquest, but if so, there ought to be a fix for it.
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