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Neptune calls me "Daddy"
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This was sent to me today... the author flew F-18's in the Navy, and did an exchange tour flying F-15's in the Air Force.

He was replying to a high school student trying to decide between an appointment to the Air Force Academy and the boat school ( Naval Academy)

Jim (Retired Naval Aviator)

<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:smarttags" /><st1:date Day="22" Month="12" Year="2005"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">22 December 2005</st1:date><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>

<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Young Man,<o:p></o:p>

<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Congratulations on your selection to both the Naval and Air Force Academies. Your goal of becoming a fighter pilot is impressive and a fine way to serve your country. As you requested, I?d be happy to share some insight into which service would be the best choice. Each service has a distinctly different culture. You need to ask yourself ?Which one am I more likely to thrive in??<o:p></o:p>

<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">USAF Snapshot
The USAF is exceptionally well organized and well run. Their training programs are terrific. All pilots are groomed to meet high standards for knowledge and professionalism. Their aircraft are top-notch and extremely well maintained. Their facilities are excellent. Their enlisted personnel are the brightest and the best trained. The USAF is homogenous and macro. No matter where you go, you?ll know what to expect, what is expected of you, and you?ll be given the training & tools you need to meet those expectations. You will never be put in a situation over your head. Over a 20-year career, you will be home for most important family events. Your Mom would want you to be an Air Force pilot?so would your wife. Your Dad would want your sister to marry one.<o:p></o:p>

<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Navy Snapshot
Aviators are part of the Navy, but so are Black Shoes (surface warfare) and Bubble Heads (submariners). Furthermore, the Navy is split into two distinctly different Fleets (West and East Coast). The Navy is heterogeneous and micro. Your squadron is your home; it may be great, average, or awful. A squadron can go from one extreme to the other before you know it. You will spend months preparing for cruise and months on cruise. The quality of the aircraft varies directly with the availability of parts. Senior Navy enlisted <SPAN class=GramE>are salt of the earth; you?ll be proud if you earn their respect. Junior enlisted vary from terrific to the troubled kid the judge made join the service. You will be given the opportunity to lead these people during your career; you will be humbled and get your hands dirty. The quality of your training will vary and sometimes you will be over your head. You will miss many important family events. There will be long stretches of tedious duty aboard ship. You will fly in very bad weather and/or at night and you will be scared many times. You will fly with legends in the Navy and they will kick your ass until you become a
<SPAN class=GramE>lethal force. And some days - when the scheduling Gods have smiled upon you - your jet will catapult into a glorious morning over a far-away sea and you will be drop-jawed that someone would pay you to do it. The hottest girl in the bar wants to meet the Naval Aviator. That bar is in <st1:country-region><st1:place>Singapore</st1:place></st1:country-region>.<o:p></o:p>

<SPAN class=GramE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bottom line, son, if you gotta ask?pack warm & good luck in <st1:State><st1:place><SPAN class=GramE>Colorado</st1:place></st1:State><SPAN class=GramE>.<o:p></o:p>

<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Banzai<o:p></o:p>

<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">P.S.: Air Force pilots wear scarves and iron their flight suits.<o:p></o:p>

<SPAN class=GramE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">P.S.S. And oh yes, the Army pilot program, don?t even think about it unless you got a pair bigger than basketballs. Those guys are completely crazy.<o:p></o:p>

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<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">V/R wacko<o:p></o:p>

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If he's talking about the USAF CAF, I agree wholeheartedly (with the exception of the A-10 guys). Airlift...there's not even anything to talk about since 99% of it belongs to the USAF. But I think he might need a lesson onSOF air...he's way off base...the Navy barely even has any SOF air. And as for Army helo guys (Marines too)...I know a heck of a lot of them...most are great pilots, but with the exception of the 160th SOAR pilots, they are no better or bolder than USAF SOF or Navy SOF helo pilots.


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I guess there is a bigger difference between the airforce fighter community and SOF/airlift than i thought. His description of the airforce does not match what I've seen in the last 19 years in SOF and AMC.

Neptune calls me "Daddy"
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Discussion Starter #6
PS... I got this response in the mail today from a NAVY guy.



How to simulate life in the Navy

1. Buy a dumpster, paint it gray and live in it for 6 months

2. Run all of the piping and wires inside your house on the
outside of the

3. Pump 10 inches of nasty, crappy water into your basement,
then pump it
out, clean up, and paint the basement "deck gray."

4. Every couple of weeks, dress up in your best clothes and
go the
scummiest part of town, find the most run down, trashy bar
you can, pay
$10 per beer until you're hammered, then walk home in the
freezing cold.

5. Perform a weekly disassembly and inspection of your

6. On Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays turn your water
temperature up to
200 degrees, then on Tuesday and Thursday turn it down to 10
degrees. On
Saturdays, and Sundays declare to your entire family that
they used too
much water during the week, so all showering is secured.

7. Raise your bed to within 6 inches of the ceiling.

8. Have your next door neighbor come over each day at 5am,
and blow a
whistle so loud that Helen Keller could hear it and shout
Reveille, all hands heave out and trice up".

9. Have your mother-in-law write down everything she's going
to do the
following day, then have her make you stand in the back yard
at 6am and
read it to you.

10. Eat the raunchiest Mexican food you can find for three
days straight,
then lock yourself out of the bathroom for 12 hours, and
hang a sign
On the door that reads "Secured-contact OA division at

11. Submit a request form to your father-in-law, asking if
it's OK for you
to leave your house before 3pm.

12. Invite 200 of your not-so-closest friends to come over,
then board up
all the windows and doors to your house for 6 months. After
the 6
months is up, take down the boards, wave at your friends and
through the front window of your can't leave
until the next
day you have duty.

13. Shower with above-mentioned friends.

14. Make your family qualify to operate all the appliances
in your home
(i.e., Dishwasher operator, blender technician, etc).

15. Walk around your car for 4 hours checking the tire
pressure every 15

16. Sit in your car and let it run for 4 hours before going
anywhere. This
is to ensure your engine is properly "lighted off."

17. Empty all the garbage bins in your house, and sweep your
driveway 3
times a day, whether they need it or not. (Now sweepers,
start your
brooms, clean sweep down fore and aft, empty all trashcans
over the

18. Repaint your entire house once a month.

19. Cook all of your food blindfolded, groping for any spice
and seasoning
you can get your hands on.

20. Use eighteen scoops of budget coffee grounds per pot,
and allow each
pot to sit 5 hours before drinking.

21. Have your neighbor collect all your mail for a month,
read your
magazines, and randomly lose every 5th item.

22. Spend $20,000 on a satellite system for your TV, but
only watch CNN
and the Weather Channel.

23. Avoid watching TV with the exception of movies which are
played in the
middle of the night. Have the family vote on which movie to
and then show a different one.

24. Have your 5-year-old cousin give you a haircut with goat

25. Sew back pockets to the front of your pants.

26. Spend 2 weeks in the red-light districts of Europe, and
call it "world

27. Attempt to spend 5 years working at McDonalds, and NOT
get promoted.

28. Ensure that any promotions you do get are from stepping
on the dead
bodies of your coworkers.

29. Needle gun the aluminum siding on your house after your
neighbors have
gone to bed.

30. When your children are in bed, run into their room with
a megaphone,
and shout at the top of your lungs that your home is under
attack, and
order them to man their battle stations. ("General quarters,
quarters, all hands man your battle stations")
31. Make your family menu a week ahead of time and do so
without checking
the pantry and refrigerator.

32. Post a menu on the refrigerator door informing your
family that you
are having steak for dinner. Then make them wait in line for
at least an
hour, when they finally get to the kitchen, tell them that
you are out of
steak, but you have dried ham or hot dogs. Repeat daily
until they don't
pay attention to the menu any more so they just ask for hot

33. When baking a cake, prop up one side of the pan while it
is in the
oven. Spread icing on real thick to level it off.

34. In the middle of January, place a podium at the end of
your driveway.
Have you family stand watches at the podium, rotating at 4-
hour intervals.

35. Lock yourself and your family in your house for 6 weeks.
Then tell
them that at the end of the 6th week you're going to take
them to
Disneyland for "weekend liberty." When the end of the 6th
week rolls
around, inform them that Disneyland has been canceled due to
the fact that
they need to get ready for Engineering-certification, and
that it will be
another week before they can leave the house.

36. In your grim, gray dumpster (refer to #1), with 200 of
not-so-closest friend (cite par. 12) regardless of gender,
suffer through

37. Sleep on the shelf in your closet. Replace the closet
door with a
curtain. Have you wife whip open the curtain about 3 hours
after you
go to sleep. She should then shine a flashlight in your eyes
and mumble
"Sorry, wrong rack."

38. Renovate your bathroom. Build a wall across the middle
of your
bathtub, move the shower head to chest level. When you take
showers, make
sure you shut off the water while you soap down.

39. When there is a thunderstorm in your area, find a wobbly
rocking chair
and rock as hard as you can until you become nauseous. have
a supply of
stale crackers in your shirt pocket.

40. Put lube oil in your humidifier and set it on high.

41. For ex-engineering types: leave the lawn mower running
in your living
room eight hours a day.

42. Have the paperboy give you a haircut.

43. Once a week, blow compressed air up your chimney, making
sure the wind
carries the soot onto your neighbors house. Ignore his

44. Every other month buy green or red marine primer and put
it in a paint
sprayer. Spray it over the roof of your house onto your
car. Ignore his complaints.

45. Lock wire the lug nuts on your car.

46. Buy a trash compactor, but use it only once a week.
Store the garbage
on the other side of your bathtub.

47. Get up every night around midnight and have a peanut
butter and jelly
sandwich on stale bread.

48. Set your alarm clock to go off at random during the
night, jump up and
get dressed as fast as you can making sure you button up the
button on your shirt, stuff you pants into your socks. Run
out into the
backyard and uncoil the garden hose.

49. Once a month, take every major appliance apart and put
them back
together again.

50. Install a fluorescent lamp under the coffee table and
then get under
it and read books.

51. Raise the thresholds and lower the top sills of your
front and back
doors so that you either trip or bang your head every time
you pass
through one of them.

52. Every so often, throw the cat in the pool and shout "Man
starboard side" Then run into the house and sweep all the
pots and
dishes off the counter. Yell at the wife and kids for not
having the
kitchen "stowed for sea."

53. Put on the headphones from your stereo set, but don't
plug them in.
Hang a paper cup around your neck with string. Go stand in
front of your
stove. Say ... to no one in particular "Stove manned and
ready" Stand
there for three or four hours. And say again to no one in
"stove secured." Roll up your headphones and paper cup and
place them in a
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