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Old 12-05-2018, 02:31 PM   #11
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I have a better chance of killing a deer by throwing my CVA wolf at it than shooting at it.
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:35 AM   #12
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Thanks Jason.

It's an Optima cva v2

It's a great looking gun! I can't wait to shoot it.
This is what I recommend.

Good cleaning kit but to be honest I just use a regular gun cleaning kit with patches that fit the bore. Because Blackhorn 209 is that easy to clean.

Buy Blackhorn 209 powder (I think Mikes and Walmart sell this powder)

$30-$40 blackhorn speed breech plug
https://www.westernpowders.com/index...product_id=147

CCI Magnum 209 Shotshell primers https://www.midwayusa.com/product/13...otshell-magnum

250 grain Hornady FTX reloading bullets in .451 caliber ($25 for 100)
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/10...ing-box-of-100

and a scale that weighs in grain. You can probably just get a food scale from walmart that can measure in grains.

But do the follwoing load measurements for three shots:
63 grains by WEIGHT (equals 90 grains by volume)
70 grains by WEIGHT (equals 100 grains by volume)
77 grain by WEIGHT (equals 110 grains by volume)
84 grains by WEIGHT (equals 120 grains by volume)

One of those loads you will find something that shoots with 1-1.5 MOA at 100 yards.

I promise this will help you in the end and you will save money on bullets. Because muzzleloading bullets are expensive and honestly they are pretty much pistol bullet marketed towards muzzleloaders. Plus you do NOT need to clean the muzzleloader as much.


Call Harvesters and let them know you bought some 250 grain .451 caliber bullets for your CVA Optima. They will tell you which ones to buy. Either the ribbed short version or the smooth version. Sabots will make it or break it more than the bullet that is inside the sabot. I had to get the smooth version for my accura. (800) 922-6287 great company to deal with.
https://www.harvestermuzzleloading.com/

I included links to everything. CVA has a lot of potential if you are patient and take your time on load development. Picture included was a spur of the moment load I put to together for my Accura.
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:39 PM   #13
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This is what I recommend.

Good cleaning kit but to be honest I just use a regular gun cleaning kit with patches that fit the bore. Because Blackhorn 209 is that easy to clean.

Buy Blackhorn 209 powder (I think Mikes and Walmart sell this powder)

$30-$40 blackhorn speed breech plug
https://www.westernpowders.com/index...product_id=147

CCI Magnum 209 Shotshell primers https://www.midwayusa.com/product/13...otshell-magnum

250 grain Hornady FTX reloading bullets in .451 caliber ($25 for 100)
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/10...ing-box-of-100

So you're saying to shoot a .45 caliber bullet out of a .50 caliber barrel? I don't see how that will improve on accuracy?
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So you're saying to shoot a .45 caliber bullet out of a .50 caliber barrel? I don't see how that will improve on accuracy?
If you put a 50 cal bullet in a sabot, it ain't going down the barrel! Most ML rounds are .451 and fit into a sabot to make them .50 Cal.

This is what I use!

http://www.barnesbullets.com/muzzleloaders/expander-mz/

Took down elk sized animals just fine!!!
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Seems like alot of extra effort to do what a ready made .50cal sabot/bullet does with half the effort. IDK but think I'll stick to the tried and true .50 powerbelts. g/l
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Seems like alot of extra effort to do what a ready made .50cal sabot/bullet does with half the effort. IDK but think I'll stick to the tried and true .50 powerbelts. g/l
Work what works best for you and your gun! ML's are finicky beasts! But typically getting a good round with a good tight fitting sabot can help in the accuracy department! If your gun shoots fine with PB and you are happy with the results, then stick with them.
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So you're saying to shoot a .45 caliber bullet out of a .50 caliber barrel? I don't see how that will improve on accuracy?
It's just a 45 caliber bullet in a sabot. It's nothing new and has been out longer than I probably have been alive. Same concept with shotgun slugs.

I think these have a BC of .210 and a full bore bullet of the same weight like Powerbelt Aerolites have a BC of .174. The 45 caliber bullet will retain velocity more over distance and be less effected to wind. But also I just don't like PBs because of the soft lead they use and are way over priced for ML bullets.

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