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Old 09-05-2015, 04:16 PM   #11
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With all the shootings that have happened on military installations and at military personnel, doesn't surprise me at all that a group of men with guns along the fence of a military installation were stopped and checked out. How were they to know these guys were only dove hunting and not terrorists? Putting them on the ground like that is a pretty basic safety tactic, even the police do that.


Military has been the target of terrorists several times lately. What would you do if several guys came walking up by the fence with guns?

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With all the shootings that have happened on military installations and at military personnel, doesn't surprise me at all that a group of men with guns along the fence of a military installation were stopped and checked out. How were they to know these guys were only dove hunting and not terrorists? Putting them on the ground like that is a pretty basic safety tactic, even the police do that.


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I disagree.

Did you read the article?

According to the article, The military left their base and trespassed on private property., and held them at gun point, including the landowner.
So you condone that?
If they are concerned about what goes on on that property they should buy it from the land owner.

I doubt you would have the same opinion if you were one of the hunters.

Notwithstanding any of the above, with one look, any person with any common sense would immediately see that these guys were a bunch of bubbas dove hunting.
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I'm all for giving the military folks the right to protect themselves, and security is important, but these security guys knew exactly what was going on and they were just being a-holes because they decided they wanted to play GI Joe super secret security squad.

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With all the shootings that have happened on military installations and at military personnel, doesn't surprise me at all that a group of men with guns along the fence of a military installation were stopped and checked out. How were they to know these guys were only dove hunting and not terrorists? Putting them on the ground like that is a pretty basic safety tactic, even the police do that.


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I disagree.

Did you read the article?

According to the article, The military left their base and trespassed on private property., and held them at gun point, including the landowner.
So you condone that?
If they are concerned about what goes on on that property they should buy it from the land owner.

I doubt you would have the same opinion if you were one of the hunters.

Notwithstanding any of the above, with one look, any person with any common sense would immediately see that these guys were a bunch of bubbas dove hunting.
Yea I read it. The article leaves just enough information to allow you to speculate about it. It says two were made to lay on hot asphalt and clearly show the road and a fence in the background. I grew up on farms and never heard of a farmer having a paved road through the back fields. Never dove hunted any property with paved roads either. So was that a public road or was it a base road for security around the outer perimeter? Or did the landowner for whatever reasons decide to put asphalt paved roads through his property? If it was a base perimeter road then were they really on private property at the time or were they walking just over the line on base property?

As far as one look and you could tell they were dove hunters, that's what the terrorists want you to do. One look, oh just harmless people nothing to worry about.

I don't know, maybe I missed something when I read it but to me there were facts missing from it that i would need to know before saying the security guards over reacted.

Course the media says they over reacted so guess I should believe what the media says. But already been involved with the local media giving out wrong info so I have a problem trusting them completely.



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1000 meters.....so in USA where the metric system is not recognized good ole boys are suppose to know the exact breakdown....hahaha 100 yards maybe, 1000 meters good luck on that one. Tell that to the hunting clubs in the north end of SR that are around Whiting....
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1000 meters.....so in USA where the metric system is not recognized good ole boys are suppose to know the exact breakdown....hahaha 100 yards maybe, 1000 meters good luck on that one. Tell that to the hunting clubs in the north end of SR that are around Whiting....
Yeah, I have no idea where this mythical number has come from and I am the person that has installed and put up fences and security systems on bases across the world. I've had quite a few "proactive" base commanders tell me what they wanted to do around their base perimeter and I've had to tell them politely what the regs are and what they can and cannot do! It's written down for almost every standard DOD base in CONUS.

But that does not stop so overachieving base commander trying to get away with things. That is until a call to HQ's in DC is made!
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Pretty sure some of you are confusing the physical perimeter aka fence with the Force Protection "observation" perimeter which is any where from 500-1000 meters... yes meters not yards because most of our allies deal in meter and the same rules and procedures are used over seas with our allies.
If there has been a perimeter breach and military members died, people would find a reason to bitch about that just like they are bitching about the response to the supposed innocent hunters in this news article... damned if you do, damned if you dont.
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Pretty sure some of you are confusing the physical perimeter aka fence with the Force Protection "observation" perimeter which is any where from 500-1000 meters... yes meters not yards because most of our allies deal in meter and the same rules and procedures are used over seas with our allies.
If there has been a perimeter breach and military members died, people would find a reason to bitch about that just like they are bitching about the response to the supposed innocent hunters in this news article... damned if you do, damned if you dont.
Man you have no idea what you are talking about here. 1000 meters? lol, that is over a half mile. Do you really think that the Security Police can do what they want and people are not supposed to hunt within a half mile of any base? That is a HUGE area.

I have nothing against LEO's and never say this, but this was someone in the military having a completely ignorant power trip and they should be in serious trouble for it. Especially if the hunters did talk to some authorities prior to the hunt to double check they were being legal.

Birds are bad for planes, if anything the Air Force should be glad that hunters are legally shooting one of their natural issues.
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Well obviously any threat on a base would begin with gunfire outside the fence area with hunters & trucks sitting right there shooting up at what appeared to be electronic feathered devices capable of drone type assault on who? Thats how I would do it. Who cares what it looks like ? It could be Hostile. Todays gov . Lord help Us.
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