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Old 08-27-2014, 12:10 AM   #41
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Trap them like hogs and transport to wma's with low deer numbers. Or maybe get rid of "doe days" and let hunters kill more in these areas. Never mind, that makes too much sense.
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The problem I have is that private property is regulated on how many doe tags are provided (FWC DENIES THAT AT THEIR MEETINGS). Yet farmers surrounding the same private property can shoot all they want without any real documentation. It would certainly make more sense to give the private land owners more freedom to shoot more antler less deer, especially since the deer actually live in the woods and not the fields. I will say this I don't see many fields with too many rows of crops gone. Most fields are planted all the way to the woods. I would rather pay an extra 10 bucks on my license and the state can reimburse these farmers for crop loss with that money increase.
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Have you seen him, or has he told you he shoots them in the guts on purpose? I know some farmers do this but i have never seen this person purposely gut shoot deer. I have hunted with him and shot these permits with him and never seen him purposely gut shoot them.
No i have never hunted with him to see it. It's one of his buddies that has said it. so yeah its second hand info. And yes this person shoots with him and gets bashed for his post on here all the time.

Like I said Im not agianst it. But am agianst them leaving them lay. I know guys that shoot for farmers in Walnut Hill and they try to atleast get the hams and back straps off every one they shoot. Yeah its a pain and takes time but should be done. No matter why you are shooting them hunting or protecting your crops.
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Seems like most of the positive comments are coming from those involved in the hunts. That is a surprise !! I sent a suggestion to FWC last year that they could make money and have the farmer make money by simply letting hunts buy tags for the hunt and then giving the names to the farmers that need the hunts. Farmer contacts the tag holder, say for x$ he would let the hunter hunt for a week/day or ?? Both make money, herd is controlled and the meat is used. Might be an idea for all those that support a plan to also contact FWC. As for leaving the meat in the field, don't support that. I have heard the argument that the farmer doesn't want someone disturbing the field to get the meat. Answer there is either build a 10 ft fence or live with the deer. I have also heard that some farmers have tags to remove the deer, but not all since they are a "pain " to get . For those doing the hunts, you must have a special feeling about the sport of hunting
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I don't think a farmer letting strangers on his place to hunt during daylight would decrease the herd. Most everybody I know that shoots, does so at night. That's when the deer are in the fields. If it was coyotes they were shooting would everybody feel the same way? The only reason this is an argument is because deer are your preferred animal. It's no different than shooting a squirrel in your bird feeder and throwing it away. It's food ain't it? We hunt deer for fun, period. Crops are farmers lively hood. Never been on one of these shoots but they probably don't do it enough. By the way, I know first hand the results. I hunted a farm in jay. Killed several nice bucks and piles of does. I took no telling how many kids for their first deer including one that was posted on here last year. I saw 54 deer on a morning sit a few years ago. The farmer that had the lease dropped it 2 years ago because he couldn't make any money feeding deer. The new farmer has shot hard for 2 years. It's hard hunting now. I got out because of it but I know he did wants best for him and I have no problem with it.....tony
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Old 08-27-2014, 05:25 PM   #46
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will say this I don't see many fields with too many rows of crops gone.
Get out of your vehicle one day and walk the edges of the fields. It's amazing how much damage deer will do to a peanut or cotton field.

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Seems like most of the positive comments are coming from those involved in the hunts. That is a surprise !!
Seems like most of the negative comments are coming from those that have never been involved in the hunts. That is a surprise!! Never watched a heard of deer pull up entire cotton plants, eat the leaves and pull up another entire plant. Never watched a heard of deer bed down in a peanut field and eat the plants nearly down to the dirt. One after another.

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I sent a suggestion to FWC last year that they could make money and have the farmer make money by simply letting hunts buy tags for the hunt and then giving the names to the farmers that need the hunts. Farmer contacts the tag holder, say for x$ he would let the hunter hunt for a week/day or ?? Both make money, herd is controlled and the meat is used.
If you are a farmer that owns or leases land for crop production are you going to let untold number of strangers on your fields to shoot deer? Hell no! The farmer opens themselves up to liability, damage to the land, more damage to the crops, damage to farming equipment, litter, etc... etc... etc... Besides the fact that the farmer doesn't have the time to sit around and make phone calls to people to shoot deer every day.

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Answer there is either build a 10 ft fence or live with the deer.
Really? So you are a farmer that owns or leases tens of thousands of acres of ag fields. How much do you think it will cost that farmer to build a 12 foot fence around all of those fields vs. letting someone you trust shoot those same fields? A single 150 acre square field will require 2 miles of high fence. Now do that for thousands of acres. I sure the farmers will put up the fence if you put up the $$$$$$$$... or serve as their insurance company.

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Hunting and shooting are two different things. Pest control isn't the same as hunting and these deer are pests to the farmers. Don't confuse the two. Do you let mice, rats, snakes, squirrels, etc... run around your garage, house, yard... or do you kill them?


All the state needs to do is do away with the stupid limited tag system and let the shooters that have written permission along the state permit in hand remove the deer from the fields for food. What isn't consumed by the shooter and his family could be donated to a local food bank. All the shooter would have to do is drop of the deer at a local meat processor to be ground up. It would be minimal costs (probably cheaper than store bought meat) for the state to pay for a meat processor to grind up the deer into hamburger for the needy. 300 deer would provide a local food bank or soup kitchen several thousand pounds of ground meat. Multiply this times the number of the deer that other shooters kill from all over the area and turns into a whole lot of meat for the needy.
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If you call it a hunt then it is hunting !!
I can assume that you are one of the special people hunting this way.


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Get out of your vehicle one day and walk the edges of the fields. It's amazing how much damage deer will do to a peanut or cotton field.

Seems like most of the negative comments are coming from those that have never been involved in the hunts. That is a surprise!! Never watched a heard of deer pull up entire cotton plants, eat the leaves and pull up another entire plant. Never watched a heard of deer bed down in a peanut field and eat the plants nearly down to the dirt. One after another.


If you are a farmer that owns or leases land for crop production are you going to let untold number of strangers on your fields to shoot deer? Hell no! The farmer opens themselves up to liability, damage to the land, more damage to the crops, damage to farming equipment, litter, etc... etc... etc... Besides the fact that the farmer doesn't have the time to sit around and make phone calls to people to shoot deer every day.

Really? So you are a farmer that owns or leases tens of thousands of acres of ag fields. How much do you think it will cost that farmer to build a 12 foot fence around all of those fields vs. letting someone you trust shoot those same fields? A single 150 acre square field will require 2 miles of high fence. Now do that for thousands of acres. I sure the farmers will put up the fence if you put up the $$$$$$$$... or serve as their insurance company.

Hunting and shooting are two different things. Pest control isn't the same as hunting and these deer are pests to the farmers. Don't confuse the two. Do you let mice, rats, snakes, squirrels, etc... run around your garage, house, yard... or do you kill them?


All the state needs to do is do away with the stupid limited tag system and let the shooters that have written permission along the state permit in hand remove the deer from the fields for food. What isn't consumed by the shooter and his family could be donated to a local food bank. All the shooter would have to do is drop of the deer at a local meat processor to be ground up. It would be minimal costs (probably cheaper than store bought meat) for the state to pay for a meat processor to grind up the deer into hamburger for the needy. 300 deer would provide a local food bank or soup kitchen several thousand pounds of ground meat. Multiply this times the number of the deer that other shooters kill from all over the area and turns into a whole lot of meat for the needy.
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Deer Depredation is an ugly reality that happens everyday that I would rather not know about.
I think there are allot of folks on here that would be better off not knowing.
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Old 08-27-2014, 09:50 PM   #49
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Get out of your vehicle one day and walk the edges of the fields. It's amazing how much damage deer will do to a peanut or cotton field.

Seems like most of the negative comments are coming from those that have never been involved in the hunts. That is a surprise!! Never watched a heard of deer pull up entire cotton plants, eat the leaves and pull up another entire plant. Never watched a heard of deer bed down in a peanut field and eat the plants nearly down to the dirt. One after another.


If you are a farmer that owns or leases land for crop production are you going to let untold number of strangers on your fields to shoot deer? Hell no! The farmer opens themselves up to liability, damage to the land, more damage to the crops, damage to farming equipment, litter, etc... etc... etc... Besides the fact that the farmer doesn't have the time to sit around and make phone calls to people to shoot deer every day.

Really? So you are a farmer that owns or leases tens of thousands of acres of ag fields. How much do you think it will cost that farmer to build a 12 foot fence around all of those fields vs. letting someone you trust shoot those same fields? A single 150 acre square field will require 2 miles of high fence. Now do that for thousands of acres. I sure the farmers will put up the fence if you put up the $$$$$$$$... or serve as their insurance company.

Hunting and shooting are two different things. Pest control isn't the same as hunting and these deer are pests to the farmers. Don't confuse the two. Do you let mice, rats, snakes, squirrels, etc... run around your garage, house, yard... or do you kill them?


All the state needs to do is do away with the stupid limited tag system and let the shooters that have written permission along the state permit in hand remove the deer from the fields for food. What isn't consumed by the shooter and his family could be donated to a local food bank. All the shooter would have to do is drop of the deer at a local meat processor to be ground up. It would be minimal costs (probably cheaper than store bought meat) for the state to pay for a meat processor to grind up the deer into hamburger for the needy. 300 deer would provide a local food bank or soup kitchen several thousand pounds of ground meat. Multiply this times the number of the deer that other shooters kill from all over the area and turns into a whole lot of meat for the needy.

The assumption that I've never walked a field edge is silly. If we want to talk real then let's face the reality that Whitetail Deer are regulated as a game animal with particular license and season dates. In fact it cost hunters millions of dollars a year in Florida. So why should unregulated killing go on under the auspice of a depridation permit. If that's the case every private land owner or leasee should be afforded the same right without regulation.
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Don't get in a club beside a field and you won't have to worry about it.
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