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Old 11-06-2019, 10:49 AM   #11
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Why not stock some mudbugs, crawdaddy's, crayfish?

As for ya'lls turtles, they can decimate fish beds while in larvae and fry state. I keep a friends ponds rid of turtles with a 17hmr and occasionally shoot them with a 12ga. The only good pond turtle is a dead pond turtle.
I did put a new scope on my .22 recently. ;-) Just didn't want to rid them all if they have any benefit as the previous post suggests. I keep hearing conflicting reports turtles. In the meantime, sounds like a good opportunity to sight-in that new scope.
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Old 11-06-2019, 03:16 PM   #12
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Can't shoot there. Livestock on one side, horses on the other and house in the other direction. Any ricochet off the surface and good neighbors get pissed.
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Old 11-06-2019, 06:39 PM   #13
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You can make a turtle trap pretty cheap and easy. We use a 55-gal steel drum with a few holes drilled. Then a board on a hinge. Sink the drum until the rim is about 18" above the surface. Turtles climb up the board, and when the weight ratio gets right... ploop! Into the drum. Repeat until full. Then you can dip them out and dispose or relocate. It helps to balance the board properly of course. And beware of the waterlogged end, it can get to heave to ploop!
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Can't shoot there. Livestock on one side, horses on the other and house in the other direction. Any ricochet off the surface and good neighbors get pissed.
Same problem at my friends, at least on 2 ponds anyway. That's why I use the 12ga when the livestock is nearby. Been shooting his for better than 10 yrs now. #8 shot and never once had a ricochet.
As far as the turtles eating the dead fish? I guess they will, but I'd be more concerned as to why you have lots of dead fish to begin with?
Bream and catfish will also eat dead fish to a degree, just like using cutbait. And those loggerhead and softshell turtles are way worse on your fish population. Those water turkey's are real bad too. But they normally don't take room and board in ponds, maybe a week or two, but they can eat a lot of poundage during that short time. And if you have a large pond, they'll stay for extended months there.
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This...there's a net basket under the water and a door hinge under the top board so it'll flop down when they get too far out
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Old 11-07-2019, 10:18 AM   #16
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Made one of these traps and used it for a couple of years. About 4ft long and 3 ft wide with a 2'x2' opening. 4" PVC pipe and elbows for keeping afloat. Used a 1"x1" heavy mesh. However, I brought the mesh up over the rim of the PVC. Didn't need the board and turtles could enter from either end, up a gradual slope. Made a mesh cylinder up the center to hold a fish partially in and out of the water.
Worked great. Backed over one edge of it with the tractor, oops. Need to bend it back into shape.

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Old 11-07-2019, 01:31 PM   #17
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Reelbait, I would like to propose on alternative. Your pond has a quality bream population because your largemouth bass population is overcrowded. Hear me out:

Bream spawn multiple times throughout the summer, creating plenty of forage for young largemouth bass. They simply have an unlimited food supply of baby bream. This creates high survival rates of largemouth bass and they quickly grow to that 1 pound range. However, because their is such good survival to that size, they quickly become stockpiled at this size and consumer all of the forage they need need (mainly juvenile bream) to grow to a larger size.

What does this do to the bream population? Because survival to adult size is low (bass eat all of the juvenile bream), the few that are lucky enough to grow to adult size have an unlimited food supply.

The answer to getting your pond back into balance is to provide more adequate sized food (3-4" fish) to your pond so the bass can grow out of that stockpiled 1 pound size class. How do you do this? You could add forage, as others have suggested, but make sure it's large enough. Fathead minnows will only help the small bass grow. Think threadfin shad or golden shiners (they will eat fish eggs) The real answer is to remove excess numbers of bass, so that more bream survive to that juvenile/adult size. You could also add a supplemental feeding program to help fatten up your bream, which will translate into more quality forage for your bass, thus increasing their growth rate.

I admit I'm sorry to hear their assessment of your pond. Normally these guys have it together. Maybe I missed something and they are correct, but a pond that produces trophy bluegill is almost always a bass crowded pond. That's fine if you want big bluegill and a high catch rate of bass. It's a good way to get young ones interested in the sport. However, if you want a balanced or trophy bass pond, then a majority of those bass need to hit the grease.

If you have any questions, feel free to message or call me.

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Old 11-08-2019, 08:14 PM   #18
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Matt,
You're right. I spent quite some time speaking with Walt of trophypond.com today. We're going to be adding many 3" - 4" copper nose soon.
They are a couple of counties over and have about 8 ponds for stocking. Will also be adding some true Florida largemouth to cross breed the F1 in the spring. Great info on trophypond.com about NOT having just F1s in a pond.
Also getting the 6 grass carp out of there.
All the existing big bream will be catch and release for at least a year.
I'm on the boat for the weekend on Bayou Chico. Just got down. May run out and hit some structure Sunday.
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