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Old 12-17-2010, 04:59 PM   #1
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Default New Casino Beach Rubble Reef Project

In speaking with Robt Turpin today, I mentioned the previous comments (SeaLark) about the Casino Rubble area possibly being a good base for future deployments.

He actually had that on his plate for future reef development and this may be the impetus to move that along a little more quickly.

He asked me to solicit some up to date good GPS numbers for that area and he'll get started on that!
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Old 12-17-2010, 07:41 PM   #2
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Here you go 30°18.727 87°07.334
this is right on the West edge it's the only small piece thats still above the sand , everything is still there only sunk into the sand and should be a good base so the new stuff doesn't sink as fast. Suggest also that he consider putting stuff right on top of the 3 barges for the same reason. All the reef balls have already started to sink in the sand without a major hurricane. The barges are also after many years sinking and would make a excellent base.
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Old 12-17-2010, 11:33 PM   #3
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That would be awesome, but I won't "hold my breath"
Asking for the numbers is a pretty good way of blowing you off though!
Robert Turpin knows evey legal number...Public, Private, and top secret....in fact I think that is actually written into his job description. ....So asking for the beach reef #s kind of strikes a sour note with me. I mean ...you can actually see it while standing on the beach on a good day.
We were already supposed to have had a snorkeling reef installed....Where is it?
I know it is a struggle to get anything done....but I think I have lost all hope for this sort of thing happening in my lifetime.
It's much easier to just go somewhere else that already has this sort of thing, than to bang your head against the brick wall that seems to be in place around here.
Sadly....It won't be too many more years before the rest of the good old reefs around here subside into the sand, and there won't be anything left to dive or fish.
Bridge rubble is GREAT!....but we don't have enough of it...besides.... ships and barges are where it's at, and we are not putting any more out.
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Old 12-18-2010, 01:58 AM   #4
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Lightbulb schnorkeling Reef!

The reefs you are talking
about will probably become a reality( I have seen them if you are speaking of the ones which will be installed right off the beach) but again you all on this forum must have patience! The reef building business has a factor that all of you should recognize as the largest factor and that is "mother nature".
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about will probably become a reality( I have seen them if you are speaking of the ones which will be installed right off the beach) but again you all on this forum must have patience! The reef building business has a factor that all of you should recognize as the largest factor and that is "mother nature".
I think that i am the MOST patient...since I think it will take forever!

I will admit that THIS summer wasn't good for doing ANYTHING on the beach, but that didn't have anything to do with the weather.

After a little thought, I also came to the realization that maybe jagged, rebar ebbedded bridge rubble might not be a welcome addition to the beach reef. I would just like to see some Large rock, reef mods or maybe some well picked rubble.
Any reef is going to have a hell of a time in that spot though....the beach reef used to be much better, before the re-nourishment project covered it up. There are still 3' high x 8'x12' piles of concrete there, they are just covered up with "re-nourished" sand.
Anyway, with the exception of the Dive shops , and a few charter captains, the rest of Pensacola doesn't have the drive for this sort of project, and won't show up for counsel meetings. Meanwhile, Orange beach continues to build their incredible art. reef, and even Navarre is actually raising money for their snorkeling reef. I would bet on theirs before ours..... which goes back to having to going elsewhere to enjoy what could be here.
If I am wrong about this, then at the least someone needs to do a better job at PR on this stuff, because it is no-where in the news.
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1st, SeaLark, thank you very much, the info has been passed on. Do you know anyone that might have some other numbers of the “covered” parts of the reef that Turpin can confirm so he can map it out? Most numbers available are converted loran numbers which may not be precise enough for the permitting process. It will help save a lot of time if all he has to do is dive and confirm rather, than dive and search! (He’s a one man show with a lot on his plate)

2nd, Firefishvideo….
When I make these posts, I make them as Public Service Announcements to assist the fishing community and our Marine environment. I have a professional (as a member of the SRC MAC) and a personal relationship with Robt. T, recently taking him on a reasonably successful redfish hunt. This allows us to bounce around some ideas from time to time, and the subject is almost always fishing related.
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Occasionally we hit on something I feel the Forum needs to know, or like in this case we hit on something I thought the Forum members could assist in helping to move this along for their/our own benefit.
You seem to have real interest in diving, why don’t you dive in and give us a hand with this…..maybe….
· Help map it out if you happen to be in the area
· Help find some materials we can put there
· Take some videos after the deployment and post them on the Forum
Happy fishing/diving!
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BayPirate,
I think people are just getting frustrated. No offense to you, I am sure your conversations go well with R.T. but that still hasn't got anything accomplished. We need less talk and more action. From what I have seen, R.T. gets paid a butt load of money to drag his feet. Next time you go red fishing, ask him to get something done. Without reefs we have a desert out there with no fishery. The more we can get the better.
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Robert Turpin, and Keith Mille both know me and I keep them informed of relevant information as I come across it....so If they wanted my help they would just ask.
I appreciate your addition to the knowledge base, since from the public perspective, there isn't a window into what is or is not happening.
Even being close to the dive industry, I have to rely on scraps of information, which are probably old, and biased.
Just let me say that in conjuction with MBT Divers of Pensacola and the former RFRA, My, and their considerable skill and resources for diving and organization, have been met with considerable resistance when we have tried to move on something like this. So your offer seems contrary to personal experience.
I won't hold that against anyone,and I would be glad to be a part of bettering Pensacola.... but my particular skill set is valuable, and I won't waste my time on projects that will never happen.
As I said before, Thanks for the info, I hope it WILL happen someday, but I just can't allot any energy to something I no longer believe is possible.
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1st, SeaLark, thank you very much, the info has been passed on. Do you know anyone that might have some other numbers of the “covered” parts of the reef that Turpin can confirm so he can map it out? Most numbers available are converted loran numbers which may not be precise enough for the permitting process. It will help save a lot of time if all he has to do is dive and confirm rather, than dive and search! (He’s a one man show with a lot on his plate)
Those numbers are like I said on the west edge South side The old rubble that's under the sand extends about 100 feet to the East and North from that S/W corner. Put a buoy on those exact numbers and go the the North and East from it. I have no other numbers, Never needed any to cover the whole area from there. If he dives those numbers there is a long culvert and a round concrete piece about 2 feet off the bottom that usually holds a nice grouper with MY name on it.

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Bay Pirate, thanks for trying, but you should know by now that a thread like this is going to get derailed by the b1tch-festers that are trolling for anything to b1tch about. "The reefs aren't the size I want, they aren't where I want, there aren't enough of them, they aren't here fast enough, blah blah blah".
And god-forbid you ask for some help getting information to give the b1tchers what they want! Maybe they're happier when they're b1tching.
What the heck were you thinking?
Seriously though, thanks for trying. Sorry for my rant. This is why I didn't join earlier- or post more often. I should know better.
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