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Old 09-08-2011, 08:26 PM   #31
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The huge government is the part installed to take money from those who make it and give it to whatever cockamamey (sp) thing they see fit. Stop that, and this small piece (piss testing) will disappear by itself.
Great idea...too bad this does none of that.

Symbolic? We can afford to piss away money on a symbolic gesture?

It sends a message? To who? The drug user who is already doing a drug at risk of going to jail? They aren't getting any message. Drugs are illegal and they still do them. Take away their benefits. Awesome, now you just created an armed robber...
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It sends a message that we are tired of government as usual. Compared to sending hundreds of thousands to a large continent to teach guys private hygiene, this is a drop in the proverbial bucket.
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i think it should be a law based on principal. we all see it every day going into any grocery store and welfare recpts can buy more groceries in a week than an average working class family can in a month. and most of them are stoned when they are shopping. u usually see a man and woman together in the middle of the day and both adults are strong and healthy.

another point is the housing supplied for, if u are in the military, the govt gives housing inspections and drug tests. if either fail you are out. welfare recpts can trash a brand new apartment in 9 months and the only consequence is that they are moved into a refurbished apartment, not kicked out of the program. ive seen this first hand as a sales rep for a paint company. the maintence mgr showed me several apartments and was highly pissed how the sysstem worked.

I see it as, even though they dont work they are paid by the govt, therefore they are an employee of the govt and should be subject to RANDOM not planned drug testing, just like any other state or govt employee.
We all know some people need the system but the majoritty just work the system. and the sad part is with the exception of where the housing is located, thier lifestyles are somewhat better than alot of working families because of all the benifits given to them. if we need to cut tax dollars spent, i feel this would be a great place to start...
sorry for the length of the rant....
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Great idea...too bad this does none of that.

Symbolic? We can afford to piss away money on a symbolic gesture?

It sends a message? To who? The drug user who is already doing a drug at risk of going to jail? They aren't getting any message. Drugs are illegal and they still do them. Take away their benefits. Awesome, now you just created an armed robber...
So....basically you agree that the entire welfare system is just a blackmail scheme? We are getting robbed either way, the only difference is who is holding the gun, the drug addict or the IRS agent. At least with the drug addict I might have the opportunity to shoot back.

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Take away their benefits. Awesome, now you just created an armed robber...

In other words "For God Sake, give them money or they might rob us ?"
Is that what you are saying ?

How about this - they rob us and we shoot them. I like that better.
Or , on your 2nd offense, you go to the chair. This crap would stop.
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In other words "For God Sake, give them money or they might rob us ?"
Is that what you are saying ?

How about this - they rob us and we shoot them. I like that better.
Or , on your 2nd offense, you go to the chair. This crap would stop.
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you Sir should run for president and are probably more qualified than the one we presently have.

If those who work are subjected to drug test , then those who do not work should be held to the same standard if they themselves choose to apply for and accept the money taken from those who actually do the work
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In other words "For God Sake, give them money or they might rob us ?"
Is that what you are saying ?

How about this - they rob us and we shoot them. I like that better.
Or , on your 2nd offense, you go to the chair. This crap would stop.

ROFL, that is exactly what I am saying..(heavy sarcasm)

I am saying you are going to spend the same money, could be even MORE money in the long run. Those guys are going to get that money, the next time it's robbery or something else. Then they are going to prison...guess who pays for that, guess which one costs more... You are not sending a message and you are not saving money. I guess if it gives you warm fuzzies that you stopped a drug user today than fantastic. It's an illusion at best.

The system needs to be fixed in other ways. This one sure is fun to bask in, the reality is that it's not doing anything and it's costing the same amount of money.

You have millions upon millions of tax dollars going to companies and corporations that employ people who use drugs.

We spend millions upon millions of dollars to combat drugs. Are we winning? No. Lots of Americans send in lots of tax dollars to get nowhere in the war on drugs.

It is a huge WASTE OF MONEY AND WE DON'T HAVE IT....

Holy crap, once again, the "conservatives" are asking for larger government to protect them from some imagined evil. 2% failed the test. That means that the very premise of this(billions of drug users are stealing our welfare checks) was wrong. Sure some are, but the problem is not as bad as most people bought into. The fear machine tricked you again...

You might want to stop buying ANYTHING sold at a store because guess what, LOTS of that money is going to drug users....

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OK, well here's another idea how to fix it :
How about if we fence off a large area in some state that's already screwed up, say California or Massachusetts. Then put a big pile of cocaine right in the middle of it. And throw in several bails of pot and some meth. Free drugs for everybody inside the compound. As much as you want. I think the situation would take care of itself before long.
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OK, well here's another idea how to fix it :
How about if we fence off a large area in some state that's already screwed up, say California or Massachusetts. Then put a big pile of cocaine right in the middle of it. And throw in several bails of pot and some meth. Free drugs for everybody inside the compound. As much as you want. I think the situation would take care of itself before long.
That is a plan I can get behind.

I also have another... take the warning labels off of everything. Warning labels are like removing bleach from the gene pool.
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In other words "For God Sake, give them money or they might rob us ?"
Is that what you are saying ?

How about this - they rob us and we shoot them. I like that better.
Or , on your 2nd offense, you go to the chair. This crap would stop.
Your piss'n in the wind with trying to learn that one, it's never gonna happen. ww's statement speaks for itself. How about we make Marijuana legal, only piss test for " Real" drugs, tax and sell Marijuana the same way we do liqueur, free the thousands of people in prison for having a joint in their ashtray, save the Billions we spend TRYING to stop the sale and possession of Marijuana and this whole piss testing for welfare checks would be a non issue.

But since the people who actually vote and don't just sit around bitching about the way things are are too stupid to see that Weed is less harmfull then ANY other drug and besides crime has never caused a single human death, it will never be legal and we will never benefit from what could pull at least the State of Florida out of bucket if we changed NOTHING else.
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