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Old 09-08-2011, 05:49 PM   #21
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1. The cost of testing them is not $30. That may be the test cost but not the man hours.
2. It's not the $30 for the 2.5 percent that fail that is the problem. It's the $30 for the 97.5 that pass that is the problem....
3. The ACLU has also sued for things that you support. It's always nice to hate on them when the sue for things you don't like but I bet you don't even know the things that they have sued on behalf of you because those things never make the news...
Please give me an example of the ACLU doing anything I would support. That was not sarcasm I really want to know. They are so extreme left just like 99% of the media so why would it not make the news. I would think they would take any opportunity to show they are not as biased as they appear to be too the world.

I just can't imagine anyone thinking it's ok to test people that " Work " for thier money and not the ones who don't. And if they are paying more then $30 for a drug test they are idiots and getting reemed. You can buy them buy the thousands for $4 online that test a four panel, all the typical substances.

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Old 09-08-2011, 06:05 PM   #22
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1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealth
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2.what one person receives without working for , another person must work for without receiving .

3.the government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else .

4.you cannot multiply wealth by dividing it .

5.when half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and then the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for , it is the beginning of the end of a nation .


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Old 09-08-2011, 06:07 PM   #23
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Its not a violation at all, but especially since welfare is an optional program. You dont have to get on it...you could get a job. So actually nobody is forced into this program . Its quite simple for them to pick Welfare or drugs.Which do they need the most.Personally Michigan just passed a law that limits welfare to 4 years, retro to 2007. After 4 years , if you didnt get a job , too bad. Im tired of supporting these lazy ass people, who drink , smoke and fill their damn shopping carts til they overflow at the working mans expense. They should be sterilized from breeding as well. If you cant feed yourself why should we reward you for having more kids you cant take care of.....or 5 dogs in your HUD house yard.
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Old 09-08-2011, 06:11 PM   #24
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ROFL...

http://www.aclu.org/search?type=case

Here is a list of their cases.


So, you think that adding the tasks of drug testing to a GOVERNMENT entity is going to be done cheaply? Sweet!!! I will mark this down as the first task ever in the history if the government that was done cheaply. " And if they are paying more then $30 for a drug test they are idiots and getting reemed"... yeah, because as we all know the government is really goodat price comparison shopping. And you are still not paying attention to the lawsuits cost and so on that are going to occur with this. Like I said before, I am all for the testing, but I highly doubt this saves the tax payers any money.

I'll say it again... We can't keep drugs out of prisons...you think you are going to take them out of welfare?
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Said another way: I know users that work in construction and the medical field. They have no fear of the drug test. They pass every time. If they happen to not pass the test they have a backup story to explain the false positive. Drug testing welfare reciepients takes $30 out of our pockets and puts it in the testing company's pocket. I bet the testing companys are lobbying for all they are worth to get this cash cow passed.

Funny you should mention that. You should look into Rick Scott's wife's investments.
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We shouldn't test them, because it would cost too much money?? So, with that thinking, we shouldn't prosecute anyone who's crime is under the amount it would take, on average, to take them to trial.
It would go like this, "Yes, we caught him in the act, but your car isn't worth more than $10,000. Therefore it's not fiscally responsible to try and prosecute him."
And if you think the testing companies are the only ones who will make money from this, then why don't you buy stock in them.
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We shouldn't test them, because it would cost too much money?? So, with that thinking, we shouldn't prosecute anyone who's crime is under the amount it would take, on average, to take them to trial.
It would go like this, "Yes, we caught him in the act, but your car isn't worth more than $10,000. Therefore it's not fiscally responsible to try and prosecute him."
And if you think the testing companies are the only ones who will make money from this, then why don't you buy stock in them.
So, you're for a huge government then, got it. Hell, let's put cameras on every corner of every street in the county. Just think of all of those red light tickets we could write. Hell, put 3 cops in every convenience store after dark. Like I said, we can't keep drugs out of prisons and those people are surrounded by cops and concrete.



Who says I didn't?

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Very well said Mr Fish!
It's symbolic. It sends a message. Attitudes are changing due to being fed up with the abuse of our money. This is low hanging fruit, and we must start picking somewhere.
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So, you're for a huge government then, got it.

Who says I didn't?
The huge government is the part installed to take money from those who make it and give it to whatever cockamamey (sp) thing they see fit. Stop that, and this small piece (piss testing) will disappear by itself.
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