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Old 05-11-2011, 09:09 AM   #41
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No BS reported it. Didn't hit it. Did I say it was BP? How many times have there been mass deaths of dolphins and turtles in the gulf that were reported prior to the spill? Not an accusation just a question.
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Old 05-11-2011, 09:43 AM   #42
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They made a conscious decision to let this happen ??????? I guess I missed the trial where they were convicted of knowingly letting this happen.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110906894.html

So, what is the difference in a "culture of complacency" and being asleep / drunk behind the wheel.

I give up. I think you folks are just being contrarian for the fun of it. Either that or you don't have sense enough to be taken seriously.
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Old 05-11-2011, 10:25 AM   #43
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YES MANY MISSED THE DETAILS!!!
The cement contractor, Halliburton, is tasked with taking the data and specs of a well job and presenting a plan to the, oil company, British Petroleum, for the cementing portion of a well job.

With this well, and the known parameters, Halliburton stated that this well would require 21 "centralizers". The centralizer's job is in it's name. It stabilizers the pipes and such in the bore so that the cement can be dispersed evenly to provide the required strength.

This magic "21" was a high number but this well, her pressures, angles and other data showed it was the number required...

The failure of this well was 100% caused by the BP company when they chose to use only 6 yes six as in SIX!!! LESS THAN 1/3rd that the cement contractor stated would be required to prevent a catastrophic BLOWOUT!!!

Previous to this well blowout, the cement contractor did not have the authority to stop the cementing procedures if the well owner failed to comply with suggested safety concerns... I bet this changes in American drilling following this failure.

And to think that BP is suing Halliburton! They claim the cement failed... which it did... but it failed due to the lack of compliance on the part of BP!!!

But no one in BP especially the decision makers who failed to demand the suggested 21 centralizers go down hole will be charged with KILLING the drill crew members nor the causing of the largest spill in USA history!!!

YES, IMNSHO, BP KNEW THE RISKS AND KNOWINGLY FAILED TO FOLLOW SUGGESTED PARAMETERS!!! This caused the tragedy and nothing else did!!!

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CCC, No one has been convicted of a crime... YET and I doubt the right people will be...

But unlike the court system, I do not have to wait for a verdict to call the criminals guilty!

This F'ING WELL DIDN'T JUST BLOW OUT!!! IT WAS CONTROLLABLE AND BP FAILED!!!

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If you have the time and desires... Here is an offshore oil industry forum thread regarding the spill... It is 249 pages long X25 posts per page...

http://gcaptain.com/forum/offshore/4...-rig-fire.html

This forum and some of the members are so high up the well drilling "food chain" that many investigating the spill went to them for questions and answers including one of the HIGHER ranking USCG inspectors... Some of these members actually OWN the drilling rigs and companies!!!

If you want to learn what it takes to drill safely as well as learn what it takes to cause tragedy... Read on gentle reader!

I followed this thread from page 10 (April 23rd)... So I guess I am a conspiracy theorist? NO I am an info whore reader geek!!!
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Old 05-11-2011, 05:46 PM   #46
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CCC, No one has been convicted of a crime... YET and I doubt the right people will be...

But unlike the court system, I do not have to wait for a verdict to call the criminals guilty!

This F'ING WELL DIDN'T JUST BLOW OUT!!! IT WAS CONTROLLABLE AND BP FAILED!!!

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So let me get this straight Hog, I am wrong for condemning a tattoo parlor who wants a hand out from BP (in my oppinion) because they lost business when I don't know the facts, and whether or not they actually lost business or revenue because of the spill. But you don't "have to wait for a verdict to call the criminals guilty!" Just making sure I am getting this right ??????????
The well didn't just blow out it was preventable ????? Reminds me of the huge sign at my work that says "ALL ACCIDENTS ARE PREVENTABLE". Well in that case we need to delete the word accident from the english language.
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So let me get this straight Hog, I am wrong for condemning a tattoo parlor who wants a hand out from BP (in my oppinion) because they lost business when I don't know the facts,
Only when we do not know the facts... Yes...
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and whether or not they actually lost business or revenue because of the spill.
A high preponderance leans towards the spill having a part in the tattoo shop's loss of income.
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But you don't "have to wait for a verdict to call the criminals guilty!" Just making sure I am getting this right ??????????
Well with the factual information available, the guilt is obvious but whether justice is served is yet to be seen.
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The well didn't just blow out it was preventable ?????
The blow out was 100% preventable. Had the 21 centralizer devices been installed, the cement job would have been viable and the leaks in the cement job wouldn't have occurred and the excessive pressure causing the NG burp wouldn't have been there to push out the seawater they tried to replace the heavy test mud with.
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Reminds me of the huge sign at my work that says "ALL ACCIDENTS ARE PREVENTABLE". Well in that case we need to delete the word accident from the english language.
I wouldn't say accident as a word needs removed from the english language but it should be far less used than it is. A very high percentage of life's "incidents" would be more accurately referred to as "negligents". If a person hits their brakes and a rubber brakeline fails and they rear end you... it is, in fact, an accident. But if the driver looked down at the radio and hits you... He had a NEGLIGENT not an accident.

You will find I am 100% against ALL "WARNING" labels. I am also 100% for taking blame for my actions and giving blame to others for theirs.

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if u want my 2 cents i think the tattoo parlor deserve money just like any other business. tourist stop coming because of the oil and there for they stop having as many people come in and get tattoos!
I'm retired, and I believe BP should send me some money too. Here's why:

1. The oil spill slowed the fishing in our area.
2. I was unable to catch as many large snapper as the year before.
3. My friends weren't as impressed with my fishing ablility as before.
4. Now they don't fish with me as often.
5. Now I don't have as many fishing friends to help defray the cost of a very expensive habit. (fishing)
6. I'm not bringing home as many fish now because I can't afford to fish as much.
7. The wife is after me now for not providing for the family.
8. I"m having to buy steaks and seafood.
9. See, it's all BP's fault.

Some of the claims I've heard make about as much sense as this yarn.
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Only when we do not know the facts... Yes...
A high preponderance leans towards the spill having a part in the tattoo shop's loss of income.
Well with the factual information available, the guilt is obvious but whether justice is served is yet to be seen.
The blow out was 100% preventable. Had the 21 centralizer devices been installed, the cement job would have been viable and the leaks in the cement job wouldn't have occurred and the excessive pressure causing the NG burp wouldn't have been there to push out the seawater they tried to replace the heavy test mud with.
I wouldn't say accident as a word needs removed from the english language but it should be far less used than it is. A very high percentage of life's "incidents" would be more accurately referred to as "negligents". If a person hits their brakes and a rubber brakeline fails and they rear end you... it is, in fact, an accident. But if the driver looked down at the radio and hits you... He had a NEGLIGENT not an accident.

You will find I am 100% against ALL "WARNING" labels. I am also 100% for taking blame for my actions and giving blame to others for theirs.

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If I'm correct criminal negligence requires proof of intent. This will be determined in a court of law and not the court of public opinion. As far as denied claims Fienberg is doing what any wise business person should do. That is use a little due dilegence to prevent the scamming and people looking for undeserved handouts. As far as my self I have never asked for a days unemployment or a hand out when times got tough. I got tougher and dealt with it. I don't spend beyond my means, and am a realist enough that nothing lasts forever, not the good times or the bad. They all will pass in time.
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