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Old 07-06-2011, 09:25 PM   #11
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I can HONESTLY say this, as an individual who was raised STRICT religous and then turned his back on god, nothing good ever happened to me while I ignored my creater, in fact PLENTY bad happened to me. This is not to say you have to go to church, or burn your black sabbath albums, or quit drinking, (this bud light is tasting pretty good right now), it is simply to have a relationship with your creater. I Have nothing that wasn't given to me by god, not money, not material items, not the very breath that I take, it is all given to me by my god, and I can assure you he can take it away in a minute if I turn my back on him. I thank him daily for his blessings and I am truely blessed. Only you can say what is right for you and ONLY YOU will have to answer one day for the life you lead.
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Old 07-07-2011, 12:48 AM   #12
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I'm not a church going person, but I do have a strong faith. Talking with a close friend one day, he finally shed some light on a question I had pondered many years. Why do we have so many churches in this area of the country? Is it that there so many reigious people in the south? The answer he gave finallly made total sense to me. " its's not that there are so many religious people, it's that people just can't get along." Just a thought to ponder.
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:44 AM   #13
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nicky,

i recall when the album that your avatar is taken from came out. I got a copy of the record and memorized every song.

The same idea expressed by the 'priests of sryinx' (sp) is the thing that imho is the reason for your post.... (the album was rush 2112 fore any too young to have a clue).

I am a follower of a christ. When he walked the earth there were few things that were as offensive to him as those who sought to use 'religion' to control others. It is funny, some who desire to follow him get caught up in the same thing.... The trap of religion.

It is my privilege to pastor a church right now, and i suspect that many of the same things you are opposed to (hypocrisy, religion, controlling other people, not thinking for one's self) are all things i have had the honor to teach about...

I am sorry for the experiences that you have likely had that have lead you to make this post. I am saying all this to offer something that i hope will be encouraging. I hope that you do not throw out the baby with the bath water...

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Old 07-07-2011, 01:50 AM   #14
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It's so annoying when people argue over what's 'right'.
When both atheists and christians have a little evidence.
Christianity just requires a little bit more faith...
I myself, don't know if there is a god or not, so you could call me "agnostic".
But, I'm perfectly fine with it, I don't worry too much, and get troubled by it.
Listening to Rush helps some, I can kind of relate to them.
Just listen to "Ghost of a Chance" or "Faithless".
My dad doesn't speak to much of a specific form of Christianity, and my mom was born and raised Catholic, and I'm only 15.
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:04 AM   #15
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Nobody on here argues. Ever
And certainly not WW2 or Marine Scout.
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:05 PM   #16
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It's so annoying when people argue over what's 'right'.
When both atheists and christians have a little evidence.
Christianity just requires a little bit more faith...
I myself, don't know if there is a god or not, so you could call me "agnostic".
But, I'm perfectly fine with it, I don't worry too much, and get troubled by it.
Listening to Rush helps some, I can kind of relate to them.
Just listen to "Ghost of a Chance" or "Faithless".
My dad doesn't speak to much of a specific form of Christianity, and my mom was born and raised Catholic, and I'm only 15.
True atheists don't argue for any belief, so they don't require evidence. They aren't arguing that there is no god, rather, they're claiming that they haven't seen any evidence of a god/creator. Yes, there are those that will argue against the existence of a god, I have been guilty of this myself, numerous times, but I'll never deny anyone the right to believe what they want, so long as it doesn't influence my life. I typically get drawn into those types of pissing contests by outrageous remarks or claims.

Anytime a religious person says they "feel bad for those that don't believe" because they "know" what's going to happen to them when they die, I get a good laugh. There's not a more ridiculous behavior than claiming you know what happens when we die, or anything about the universe/creation for that matter. That takes a level of pomposity few can achieve, and typically those that reach that level are exceedingly deluded. Not trying to get preachy (no pun), just not a fan of ridiculous behavior. I'll keep an eye on this thread, but I refuse to engage in anymore religious flame wars on here. Take it easy.
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:49 PM   #17
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I accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior at age 28, I'm 54 now. Apart from my own personal experience all I know about God comes from the Bible which I have studied from beginning to end and found to be the only reliable source of truth. Previous to studying Scripture I had my own "personal opinions" that were shaped by my life's history and experiences and influences. I found all the answers I was searching for in the Bible and I believe that anyone who truly seeks after God will find Him. I would be happy to try and give an answer FROM SCRIPTURE to any question anyone might have regarding faith.
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:11 PM   #18
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2112!
Yea man,

I saw your avatar and immediately recognized it. I know the pentagram freaks some folks out, but the drawing says something more....

In the album, the guy 'discovers' beauty of in simple music, but there are those who want to make it into something else. I read something of that in your OP.

"What can this strange device be? When I touch it, it brings forth a sound?"

That simple thing that he experiences in the 'temple' when he picks up the guitar and begins to play is what I experienced in the woods in northern Louisiana one cool fall night when I fell on my knees and accepted Christ.

My faith in Christ is not about 'guilt and shame'.. it is about freedom. I am not sure why some want to lift up the guilt and shame, I wish they would quit calling whatever they are selling 'Christianity'.

We all fall short, My God does not ignore that... but He tells us we are free from it. He did that....

In your avatar (from the inside cover of the Album, IIRC it was a tri-fold) the man is holding up his hands to resist being drawn to the evil.

I don't know about you, but any time I try on my own... I fail.

The things most people agree are 'good' Love, Joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self control don't come from 'religion'... we screw it up with religion. I can not be / do those things consistently on my own...

I have found (in Christ) something more then I can do on my own.

As I said before, I am sorry some folks make this so complicated.. and add so much junk. It is really simple, and even if you are not interested in what I am talking about in my faith in Christ... the VERY LAST thing anyone should take away from the discussion is the kind of 'bitter taste' that has obviously been left from your dealings with this in the past.

Blessings, and tight lines to all who read.

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yea man,

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My faith in christ is not about 'guilt and shame'.. It is about freedom. I am not sure why some want to lift up the guilt and shame, i wish they would quit calling whatever they are selling 'christianity'.

We all fall short, my god does not ignore that... But he tells us we are free from it. He did that....


I don't know about you, but any time i try on my own... I fail.

The things most people agree are 'good' love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self control don't come from 'religion'... We screw it up with religion. I can not be / do those things consistently on my own...

i have found (in christ) something more then i can do on my own.

as i said before, i am sorry some folks make this so complicated.. And add so much junk. It is really simple, and even if you are not interested in what i am talking about in my faith in christ... The very last thing anyone should take away from the discussion is the kind of 'bitter taste' that has obviously been left from your dealings with this in the past.
excellent reply!
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Old 07-07-2011, 03:11 PM   #20
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And certainly not WW2 or Marine Scout.

I am pretty sure I don't argue with myself. Odd that you say that we argue but don't mention the people we argue with...
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