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Old 07-14-2008, 04:58 PM   #1
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what exactly does that mean for us????

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Old 07-14-2008, 05:07 PM   #2
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This proposal is something you'd expect from an oil company CEO, not the <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1216065445_7 style="BACKGROUND: none transparent scroll repeat 0% 0%; CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">president of the United States," said <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1216065445_8 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., chairwoman of the Senate Environment Committee. "The president is taking special-interest government to a new level and threatening our thriving coastal economy."

whats so damn thriving about it? the charter industry is going under because they can't keep any fish, and the cost of fuel is out of sight. less people are traveling because fuel prices are so high and the US economy is trashed right now....nothings thriving right now except for the red snapper population, and noone will admit its even thriving

but then again barbara boxer is a far far far left liberal from the land of fruits and nuts so the above statement doesn't surprise me one bit
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Old 07-14-2008, 07:39 PM   #3
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biggamefishr (7/14/2008) "The president is taking special-interest government to a new level and threatening our thriving coastal economy."



whats so damn thriving about it? the charter industry is going under because they can't keep any fish, and the cost of fuel is out of sight. less people are traveling because fuel prices are so high and the US economy is trashed right now....nothings thriving right now except for the red snapper population, and noone will admit its even thriving


Not to quibble, but to ............quibble - and, yes. Boxer is a space alien, but the fuel and petroleum sectors of our economy are rocking and rolling.



Anyway, I see both sides. I'd like to have rigs to fish on and fuel to be cheaper. But I see expensive fuel forcing us to new technology. I also want new fuel technology so that we don't repeat this crap again in 20 years as we are now reliving the 70s. The oil companies are not drilling all the areas already permitted, they have closed hundreds of refineries and merged into one giant monopoly. But still, I'd like rigs to fish on and know they're pretty good at controlling leaks. Personally, I wish they'd drill the wells and then sit on the oil and wait till we really need it.
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Old 07-14-2008, 07:53 PM   #4
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drill baby drill !!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-14-2008, 08:31 PM   #5
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means nothing unless the democratic congress passes it. they have already said dont see any point in it because it will take 10 yers to see any type of difference.
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Old 07-14-2008, 09:29 PM   #6
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The difference is that the price of oil is determined by "futures". That is what the speculators do, they speculate what the price will be in the future. If we have promise for more oil in the future (even if it is 10yrs), it should still drive the price of oil down. We could also put the strategic oil supply on the market because we will have domestic opportunities to replenish the oil reserve here at home. I say drill away!!!!!!!
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Old 07-14-2008, 09:38 PM   #7
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I listen to the enemy propaganda and they had a good story this morning on the drilling issue. Take a look at the wells in the pics and see if they wouldn't ruin the beaches with a spill.... Nahhh they are WWAWAYYYYYY over in Alabama!



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Morning Edition, July 14, 2008 As gas prices continue to climb, lawmakers in both parties are looking for solutions, including lifting the 27-year ban on offshore drilling along much of the nation's coastline.



Congress first approved the ban after thousands of production facilities were erected in the central and western Gulf of Mexico. Top Florida Republicans have backed the ban on drilling off its coast, but now some are changing their minds.



On Monday, President Bush is expected to lift the executive ban on offshore oil drilling, but Congress would still have to lift its legislative ban before drilling could happen.



Oil and natural gas platforms dot the Gulf off the coasts of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama. Off Florida's coast, however, the scene from the beach is different.



Enid Sisskin of Gulf Breeze, Fla., would like to keep it that way. Sisskin, a board member of the group Gulf Coast Environmental Defense, has been fighting proposals to drill in the eastern Gulf for 16 years.



Sisskin notes that tourists visit the Pensacola, Fla., beaches for white sands and emerald waters. Tourism not only fuels the economy here; it's the economic engine for the state.



"It's what people come here for," Sisskin says. "We're not willing to sacrifice our economy for what is potentially a very small amount of oil or gas in comparison to the world supply and will do very little if anything to lower prices."



Traditionally, that has united politicians from this area. Democrats and Republicans alike support the federal moratorium on offshore drilling.



Shifting Sands



Former Republican Gov. Jeb Bush long fought to protect Florida waters. And current Gov. Charlie Crist, also a Republican, took a similar stance.



But GOP presidential candidate John McCain reversed his long-standing support for the ban, and now Crist has, too. Crist says he would support production off Florida's coast as long as it was "far enough, safe enough and clean enough."



Republican Jeff Miller, who represents northwest Florida in Congress, says the days of shielding Florida's waters from production activity may be over.



Miller opposed offshore drilling when he was first elected to Congress in 2001. But now he favors lifting the ban, as long as production activities don't interfere with military operations in the region. (The Air Force uses the Gulf for training exercises.)



"I think when the public begins to change their tune ... then elected leaders need to be paying attention as well. The breaking point seemed to be $4-a-gallon gas," Miller says.



Even some Democrats in Congress ? notably members of the conservative Blue Dog Coalition ? are bucking their leadership and now support legislation to lift the offshore moratorium.



Miller says he's been hearing from local businesses that it's time to use the resources that might lie beneath the eastern Gulf.



The Minerals Management Service, the federal agency that manages the nation's natural oil and gas resources on the outer continental shelf, estimates there to be some 3.6 billion barrels of oil in the Gulf. That's roughly as much oil as the U.S. consumes in six months. There could be even more natural gas



Some prominent business groups don't think drilling is worth it.



Alabama Coast



Sandy Johnston, executive director of the Pensacola Beach Chamber of Commerce, says that drilling in the Gulf would be her worst nightmare.



"We have everything to lose and nothing to gain. Nothing," Johnston says. "Drilling is not going to change the price of gas today, next week, next month or next year. It's just going to destroy a beautiful location."



While the debate rages in Florida, less than 60 miles to the west, coastal residents and tourists see a different seascape. On Dauphin Island, a barrier island south of Mobile, Ala., natural gas rigs can be clearly seen from the beach.



Frances Coleman, the editorial page editor of the Mobile Press Register, says that the rigs don't really make any noises that can be heard on land.



"At night you can see some of the lights. But other than that it's just interesting little blips on the horizon. It's just part of this area, what we see when we go to the beach," she says.



From where Coleman sits on the beach, about 13 of the steel structures can be seen. The producing wells have a long arm jutting up that looks like a construction crane with a little flame on top.



Occasionally, boats travel between the platforms. Some are fishing the underwater structures where fish congregate. Others appear to be supply vessels. Coleman calls it a mixed-use image ? the Gulf here being used for both commerce and recreation.



Energy companies started producing natural gas off Alabama's shores in the early 1980s. Today, there are 49 wells that generate more than $500 million a year in royalties and other state revenues, according to the Alabama Oil and Gas Board.



According to Steve Russell, director of business expansion and retention at the Mobile Chamber of Commerce, the natural gas is distributed as far north as New York and New Jersey as well as to Alabama and Florida.



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Old 07-14-2008, 09:54 PM   #8
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you guys are living in never never land



the chance of seeing gas under 3 dollars again is gone.....blame the dems for the oil mongers in power, but don't bitch and whine when they start drilling and nothing happens because our dollar continues to fall and we export a good chunk of "our" oil to other countries
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Old 07-15-2008, 12:21 AM   #9
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I am reading a whole bunch of naivety on this forum and hearing more and more each day.



Folks, please take the time to realize that fully half of the recent increase in fuel prices is due to the precipitous decline in the value of the dollar. Drilling will not fix that and neither will tax cuts. Just sayin.
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Old 07-15-2008, 12:25 AM   #10
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Drill, if for no other reason than the fishing.
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