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Old 02-20-2011, 12:03 PM   #11
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they are here because it is not on the sheriffs high priorty list and they know it. its like holding a sign up saying "come to pensacola with its numerous exit ramps". when it gets completely out of hand people will quit giving them money, i hope.
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Old 02-20-2011, 12:15 PM   #12
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my dad called me and was talking about the bums down there in ormand beach(near daytona) and said he seen a bum make 13 dollars assumeing each bill was a 1 in only 3 minutes that the light was red. thats 130 a hr if he recived 13 dollars per redlight but prob. wont be the case and we talked they can make upwards of 200-300 per day if they were there from 11am to 7pm a long day but would cover lunch , rush and dinner hour... well my old man and his way of thinking he made his mind up to do an test,
he is going to grow a 2 week beard and go stand on a1a with a sign asking for help for food and gas and see what he gets as a bum dirty and nasty

then go back the following week on the same day and time (like a friday) clean cut wearing nice clothes and all with a sign stateing he is not homeless,drung or drug user. needing help to pay property taxes and see what he can get being honest and see what the differnece is.
be belives he will get 1-200 buming and 5-600 being honest because many people will think hes crazy and funny and give him something for being an odd ball
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I think the next sheriff will be a shoe-in if he runs on the promise of a BTF (Bum Task Force)!

The ones on the corners are there by choice. You are doing them no favors by giving them money. Give to the organizations that can really help. There are a good number of people that help our homeless and poor community. Give to them, not the bums.
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:27 PM   #14
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Ok,

so 'POOF'.... Now you are the Sheriff.

You have a limited budget, and you have to;

1. Take down Meth labs, manufacturing poison and threatening lives.

2. Crack down on gangs, spreading graffiti and threatening the populace.

3. Expand coverage and provide more random patrols to protect citizens who leave their garage doors open and have fishing gear stolen...

OR.....

4. Expend time and money to round up homeless to prosecute them for a difficult to prosecute crime.... the benefits;

- Once you arrest them, you OWN their problems... YOU pay to feed, house, AND treat their VERY expensive medical conditions.

- You now have a significant mental health burden in the already overburdened detention mental health budget... so you have to cut back other places...

- AND, then you release these folks because the prosecutor can not make a charge stick... (Honest your honor, I was just passing the intersection and saw the sign laying there)...



Things are not always as simple as they appear... personally I don't want the limited resources of our LEO's used for this nuisance....

Maybe we need to stop supporting this, and actively discourage others who do>?
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Sailing_Faith, I hear you loud and clear. Ignoring the problem, as the sheriff has done for the last year is not the solution either.

I've actually suggested to my commissioner ad campaigns/public service announcements. Of all the money they waste, why not give that a try. They wouldn't be there if people didn't hand out money.

It is being successfully handled elsewhere... how bout doing what they do....
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Sailing_Faith, I hear you loud and clear. Ignoring the problem, as the sheriff has done for the last year is not the solution either.

I've actually suggested to my commissioner ad campaigns/public service announcements. Of all the money they waste, why not give that a try. They wouldn't be there if people didn't hand out money.

It is being successfully handled elsewhere... how bout doing what they do....

Now that is a GREAT idea... and no LEO required.

Public service campaigns... like maybe signs at intersections 'panhandlers make an average of $113 an hour' might discourage the supporters...

My suggestion is not to 'do nothing' but let's not pretend we can afford to 'arrest' them... it is costly and will only put them back out on the streets with tax payer funded meals and medical.

Peace.
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Old 02-21-2011, 03:37 PM   #17
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The easiest solution is for the community as whole to quit giving them hand outs. If we don't catch fish at a certain spot we quit fishing there and move on. If there weren't any fish we would quit fishing. Seems pretty simple except for the fact that many of the people choose this life style because they can stay drunk all day and never have to walk to the mail box to find an elecetric bill or some other utility bill. There are places to care for the truly legitimate homless people such as the missions. We need to stop bitching and take it out of the sheriff's hands by cutting off their source of income, the knuckle heads that think they are doing some good by giving them a hand out and perperpetuating the behavior. Maybe we should make it illegal to roll down your car window to give a hand out. Sort of like feeding porpoises. People have made it too easy for the bums and now the behavior is now engrained.
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Well, since the ALCU wants to play the "free speech" card -- how about this. The county sign shop works up some signs to place at the panhandling "hot spots" (mount them with tamper resistant hardware and the poles secured in concrete) with the following wording...

"Escambia County would like to provide a safe and pleasant environment for the residents and guests of our community. Giving money to panhandlers at this street corner creates a problem rather than a solution. There are many social and charitable organizations in our community to assist persons in need. Panhandling in the streets is a violation of county ordinance. Please help us provide a safe and beautiful community by not responding to panhandlers."

Rather than "Please don't feed the birds & wildlife" signs -- "please don't feed the bums" signs.

The signs should be facing the drivers when they are stopped at the traffic lights. It gives them something to read -- rather than having to stare down a bum. It lets the bums know what they are doing is in violation of county ordinance (if they can read). Finally, a driver can point to the sign when the bum comes up to their window with the cardboard sign saying "Homeless, Please Help - God Bless"...

I've seen them in other areas of Florida. Although I have also seen bums standing at the same street corners where the signs were present. Surely is reduces their "income" where the signs are present. The sensitive of heart might come to their senses where the signs are present -- realizing that giving money to the panhandlers does not solve their need (trust me, they are not buying food or clothing with the money) but yet only compounds their drinking or drug problem by giving them the funds to satisfy theiur addictions.

If no one gave any money to the panhandlers -- they would quickly move on to greener pastures.
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The easiest solution is for the community as whole to quit giving them hand outs. If we don't catch fish at a certain spot we quit fishing there and move on. If there weren't any fish we would quit fishing. Seems pretty simple except for the fact that many of the people choose this life style because they can stay drunk all day and never have to walk to the mail box to find an elecetric bill or some other utility bill. There are places to care for the truly legitimate homless people such as the missions. We need to stop bitching and take it out of the sheriff's hands by cutting off their source of income, the knuckle heads that think they are doing some good by giving them a hand out and perperpetuating the behavior. Maybe we should make it illegal to roll down your car window to give a hand out. Sort of like feeding porpoises. People have made it too easy for the bums and now the behavior is now engrained.
That is exactly how I see it... sad part is my wife used to be one of those softies that just did not know better until she met me. I opened her eyes and showed her the signs of drug and alcohol abuse, and most of these bums do it either for the drugs and alcohol, or as an easy source of income. Once she started learning to watch the cues, she stopped giving to them...

Something else that is just as annoying that I have not seen elsewhere are these fundraisers in these intersections walking car to car with a bucket. I see it in Pcola, Ft Walton, Panama City... I saw them once or twice in Niceville until a few got hurt from people going at a green light.
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a lot of good ideas and suggestions

to say le have better things to do is partly right.

there are days they dont have a spare second, there other days there is nothing happening. (or they dont know where it is happening) they can hassle these bums (thats right hassle). just the mere presence can have an effect. they can bust redlight runners at the same time since this is a priority.

these bums are not good for our image. tourism is already reeling from the spill.
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