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Old 05-26-2008, 07:05 PM   #41
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Old 05-26-2008, 08:43 PM   #42
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Most of you folks don't want solutions.

You want someone to blame.

There are a few exceptions, but they're few and far between.

The path I put forward nearly 2-1/2 years ago, had we embarked on it, would have us a year or so from the first drops of oil and the first c/f of natural gascoming online. No, its not a complete solution - its part of a solution.

But its more important to "say no" than to fix it, so we now have three to five years ahead of us if we change our minds, and we get to pay whatever the market price is for fuel in the meantime.

And you will continue to "say no". "Not in my back yard."

Ok.

I can afford the fuel costs. I'm retired; I don't have a business here that depends on people being able to work and pay to keep my head above water. I'm perfectly happy to watch each and every one of those greenies who are playing "contractor" or "businessperson" yet argues against energy independance by all means possible (including drilling) wither away and die on the vine.

Its ok with me. Soon your trucks will be idle, the illegal immigrants will be hounded out of the country as our unemployment rate ramps and those who believe there is a free lunch will get a very expensive and personal lesson in economics. I'll buy your boats and property out from under you at the bankruptcy sale.

Just desserts from my point of view.

You think you'll be immune eh? I've got an angle, you say.....

We shall see.

Look around you this weekend. Where were all the people? I've lived here since 2000; I've never seen it this dead, not even in the middle of the Tech Wreck. I estimate traffic was down a good 30% and maybe as much as 50% from normal levels. How many of the businesses here will survive that sort of downturn over the summer months?

How about Escambia and Okaloosa Counties? Think they can just suck down the tax base hit? Think property owners won't be protesting assessments left and right next year? Uh huh. Riiiiight. What happens when the tax base gets destroyed?

"But we got the military" I hear 'ya say. Ok. Good, stable contracting base, right? Uh huh. Who do you think wins the General Election in November when the economy is in the toilet? Oh yeah, the people will vote for McCain, from the same party as Bush, who was in office when it happened? Pull the other one - Bush was elected instead of Gore precisely because the tech wreck happened in the last year of Clinton's Presidency. History won't rhyme eh?Would you like odds on a 60-seat majority in the Senate - fillibuster proof? Ready for the tax increases? I hope so, 'cause they're coming, right at the same time the military funding gets cut.

A lot of people with their heads in the sand around here. We can burn up 60 gallons an hour catching a couple of Wahoo, but we can't drill for any oil off our own coasts.

Enjoy it while it lasts, and be ready for the six-figure whack on what you thought that boat was worth when you try to "move on up", because its coming. Never mind the builders who are just plain old-fashioned going under - there have already been several in the midsize and smaller-boat market, and the big boys are not far behind them. Most of you loudmouths don't remember the boat bulders going under the last time we had an oil-related shock (youweretoo young)- but I do. I remember all the people going under too. Hope you weren't dumb enough to place a deposit on a build for that new boat - if so, you're an unsecured creditor when the builder files.Good luck trying to get your six-figure (or more)deposit back.

No, its not all about oil. Its also about the blatant fraud in the real estate and lending spaces. "Fog-a-mirror" loans, inflated appraisals, lies told across the board. County commissions approving deals that are intentionally structured to be "bankruptcy remote" so that now, when the bust comes, the developer can laugh and the county,city and peopleget screwed.

These games only work until you run out of suckers.

We seem to be about out.

Ready forthe nukes and drilling rigs yet? Better start thinking about it, because from the time you say "yes" until we see actual relief is going to be about 5 years - on a crash program.

It'll be an interesting next five years - that much I'm quite certain of.

I'm gonna be fishin' and laughin'.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:02 PM   #43
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Start Simple, create a template with what you want to say about drilling and jobs, send it to Miller, Martinez, and Nelson every day. And when you really fell froggy, call them, talk to someone. If Northwest Florida starts making noise, and that includes the local representatives, then someone will listen. We have to change and do it damn quick, and for all the reasons why and why not, if you flood the market, change demand like using natural gas for fuel and do some creative things like stand in front of those who have put us in this position, change will occur. It takes everyone of us. My emails have been going everyday of the week. I am like Gensis, old and close to retirement, but I am damn tired of someone pissing in my wheaties and telling me how green it is.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:09 PM   #44
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Martinez, Nelson, and Boyd (barf) get faxes from me DAILY.

Literally every day.

And most of the days, energy is a part of the message.

You don't bitch at them and vote you don't get to whine, as I see it.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:16 PM   #45
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Karl, why do we not see your name on the ballot?

any ballot...



and I mean this most sincerely...
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:40 PM   #46
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I'm unelectable.

That screed you saw up above is why.

I'm allergic to bullshit and 90% of the electorate expects a handout.

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch but there the vast majority of the electorate will not vote for you if you tell them the truth, or if you deal in the truth.

That's the facts.
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:03 PM   #47
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too bad you stopped picking on the FS mental midgets...it is amusing at times....



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Old 05-27-2008, 12:17 AM   #48
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On the contrary, the Greenies have gotten more-or-less what they wanted.

No nukes, no real alternative energy (they've killed both wind and solar boiler systems repeatedly), and no real program to replace petroleum for transport.

You want a real solution? Here's a path forward, more or less what I posted back in the first part of 2006, somewhat simplified:
  1. <LI>Lotsa nukes. Breeder reactors. We know how to make them work, and did in the 60s. Fermi I, to be exact. Commercially-viable nuclear power with a closed fuel cycle, the only way to do it that makes sense. Make PWRs that can run on the produced plutonium but keep the ratio strictly balanced so the fuel cycle remains closed. Pass a law that no state or regional electrical utility may connect to the national grid 20 years hence if it uses fossil fuel to produce more than 10% of its power at peak load. Both PWRs and Breeders are known working technologies and have produced commercial quantities of electricity for more than 30 years.</LI><LI>Preempt all state and local challenges to nuclear, wind and solar generation sites. Federal level permit processes are streamlined to produce a submission-to-issue path of no more than 12 months, with a "must issue" on failure to complete.</LI><LI>All rail lines are electrified. Ten years hence, no diesel locomotives other than in switchyards and other terminal applications. Retrofit existing locomotive stock by removing the engines and fuel tanks and replacing the switch gear, adding caternary pickups. You've just removed all diesel consumption for the long-haul rail system. We need no new technology to accomplish this; fully-electric locomotives are in service all over the world. Congratulations.</LI><LI>All passenger vehicles and light trucks must use compression ignition engines five years hence, must be able to run on #2 fuel oil, and are strongly urged to be flex-fuel(will run on kerosene, gasoline and fuel oil) capable. Emissions are rolled back to Tier II and held there permanently. This provides an instantaneous 20-40% boost in fuel economy with no other changes (e.g. mandated vehicle size, etc) An exception allowingspark-ignitionfor vehicles under 1,000lbs dry weight is allowed (e.g. motorcycles) The engine technology for this, with the exception of the flex-fuel capacity, exists and is sold commercially today.</LI><LI>Aquaculture. Vertical on non-arable land (e.g. Arizona's desert) using the nuclear plants for pumping, filtration, and auxiliary lighting. Produces biodiesel, runs on seawater and high-grade energy (electricity from the nukes). Requires engineering refinement and commercialization but in sample quantities works today.</LI><LI>Recycle all waste vegetable oil into #2 fuel oil. Only good for 2-3% of demand, but its literally almost free (about 50 cents/gallon to produce, assuming the waste oil has no cost to the producer.)</LI><LI>Immediate drillingas a "crash program" in ANWR, in Alaska near Prudhoe, off California and Florida and everywhere else we have petroleum. Oil recovered from federal lands may only be refined and sold in the United States under penalty of law and immediate revoked mineral lease.</LI><LI>When the electrical generation system transitions to nuclear, wind and solar the remaining natural gas and coal resources are used for fertilizer and held in strategic reserve, respectively. Since petroleum is also used in virtually all polymers as we move off its use for transportation the remaining petroleum is reserved for polymeric use.</LI>

20 year time line, "first drop" petroleum production within 3-5 years as a buffer during the transition with a first-pass goal being replacement of 75% of transport demand with direct nuclear (locomotives via electrical) and 100% carbon-neutral renewable (biodiesel) within the 20 year time frame along with 100% replacement of stationary fuel consumption (e.g. home and enterprise heating, etc).

This gets uswithin our production capacity for petroleum within that 20 years with the production/utilization gap starting to close by year 5.

Longer-term goal is 100% replacement of transport fuel requirements within 50 years; there are issues with this, particularly in the aircraft space with temperature tolerances for biofuel replacements (a turbine will burn biodiesel with recalibrationbut the gel point is a major problem; we may be stuck with kerosene, at least as a blend, for a considerable amount of time.)

This is all attainable using only EXISTING technology. No "pie in the sky" requirements or development of things we don't have today. Note that with the increased nuclear capacity if people want to drive fully-electric cars that's fine, but you CAN'T get to a fully electric infrastructure for personal transportation without technological breakthroughs that are NOT available to us today, particularly in the energy density and charging areas. As such attempting to "base" off that as a goal is a fool's game as we may find that it is IMPOSSIBLE to solve those problems. Hydrogen (either burnedor via fuel cells)has a similar problem in that you can generate it via cracking using nuclear power BUT the energy density per-unit-volume is a major problem that we have no reasonable expectation of being able to solve in the near term.

PS: I don't listen to Hannity, Limbaugh OR Air America (is the latter still on the air?)
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hebegb (5/26/2008)too bad you stopped picking on the FS mental midgets...it is amusing at times....



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Looked at your posts. Whether or not to keep that blue fin aside, you're definitely part of the problem. No respect for conservation. Only looking to trash people who are making a point of trying to promote conservation.



By the way, I would have kept the fish but respect the opinion of people who disagree. You, on the other hand, play right into the big boys' hands. Big government love your type. They are so glad you are around and you don't even realize it. It is comical.


you don't have a f'n clue my "friend"

I am so opposed to this gov't and all they have done you HAVE NO IDEA



as for conservation, I fish to eat what I keep. PERIOD

I also hunt to eat what I kill PERIOD

If you got a problem with people doing things that are LEGAL then you are the idiot



edited for the clueless



do NOT try and pigeon hole me EVER
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:23 AM   #50
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Newt Gingrich is starting a site to work on getting the drilling started in the U.S.

&lt;a href="http://www.americansolutions.com/actioncenter/petitions/?Guid=54ec6e43-75a8-445b-aa7b-346a1e096659"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.americansolutions.com/directupload/widget/drillnow.gif"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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