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Old 02-25-2008, 09:12 PM   #21
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Yes most of the illegals are hard working people.But frist and foremost they broke our laws by not going thur the process of coming here legal.What about the people who done it the right way.We as a nation by saying it is ok we will look the other way is a slap in the face to everyone in America.We gave amensty before and what did that solve,nothing here we are again the same situation and we want to do the same thing again.The cost to our nation with all the benifits thatthey get isa huge drain on the budgets of those programs.We are becoming a welfare nation.
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:18 PM   #22
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I don't support illegal immigrants. But bella had a very valid point, and missed another very valid point.

When they get fake SS cards, taxes ARE withheld, and most of them don't file for a return, they are just working as long as possible before they get caught. So, the ones working ARE actually paying taxes, and more than the average joe if you consider they don't file for returns.

Another overlooked point. Yes, alot of that money is western unioned back to Mexico, (although at a 20% fee that western union, a US company, gets that stays in our economy), however, all the other money that they spend grocery store, beer, cars, ect....sales tax?????? the absolute best type of fair tax system?? Also when they get gulf power, internet, phone, cable, all money back into this economy.

And last, but not least.....what if they get paid in cash by shady bosses. Anybody who thinks that that is taxes that the goverment doesnt get is sadly mistaken. If an employer pays in cash then he can not claim that as an expense, and that exact amount he paid in cash will appear to be taxable income for the employer, and the IRS will actually get MORE of it in taxes because an empoyer is usually going to be in a much higher tax bracket than an hourly laborer.

So you see, like it or not, wrong or right, they ARE contributing to the economy here, and every penny they make is taxed, wether its out of a check made to there fake name, or the employer is picking up the tax tab by paying cash.

Not to mention, big places like Wal-Marts, all the way to little places like Gulf Breeze Bait and Tackle.....do you not think there monthly gross would go down if you removed the entire illegal community, and they had that much less customers per month?

Again, I don't support illegal immigration, but not for the fact that it "hurts" our economy, but for other reasons.
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:10 PM   #23
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I'm glad someone here understands how payroll works. I've stopped trying to argue this point for the most part, because everyone always insists that I am wrong and illegals pay no taxes and get welfare.

They pay taxes and never have a chance of drawingfrom the social securitysystem in which they are paying into. Of course,legal residentsmy age probably won't get any of it either. They do pose a drain on emergency rooms and schools though.

I say keep the hard workers, but get rid of the gang members. (ms-13 and other latin gangs).
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:12 PM   #24
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Another point, against them being here, that I have'nt read is the fact that they rent a small Mobile Home or apartment and cram as many in as they possibly can. If youor Itried that, not that we would want to, and there were 6-8 kids in one room, somebody would be DCF. They need to crack down harder on the employers. If the illegals can't get a job, they wont cross the border.
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:19 PM   #25
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:25 PM   #26
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I for one don't agree with illegal immigration either. Quite frankly, even if most of them do contribute to the economy, they harm the country in other ways. Mainly that they don't speak English. I realize that this is a free country, but if they don't speak English, then they're kids are not going to learn it and greatly affect the area around them. Those that are illegal may not enroll in school but their children could as they are citizens. This holds back the other kids who do speak English and lowers the potential of the school significantly, creating problems for other Americans as well... Some others may have different opinions about that, and granted I am a little naive when it comes to that point. However, if we were to remove all illegals, how would the economy last? They do work for very cheap, decreasing the costs of products... If they were to leave, our daily lives would be greatly affected by that change. This is definately a problem that needs to be thought out, not just building a wall across the border...

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Old 02-25-2008, 10:46 PM   #27
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I went to school with a lot of vietnamese kids whose parents could not speak english, and most of the ones who were born here speak english fluently and without an accent. But, I really don't have any experience with first generation latins.

It does seem like that culture pushes for their language to be used over english, just look at all of the spanish T.V. stations and newspapers across the country.
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:47 PM   #28
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Good point first catch.

And to clarify, I want to again say I do not support illegal immigration.

But just feel there is a bigger picture than the amount of medical they cost this country, the amount of money wired to Mexico, and all the other figures we have all seen of how they financially harm our economy. I would be very intrested in seeing real figures of the taxes taken out, the taxes paid by empoyers who are paying out in cash, the amount of sales tax generated from there spending, the gas, cigerette and lotto taxes genereated from there purchaces, and the amount of residences that know have renters (even if it is 20 in one house) that would be sitting vacant on the market, and the amount of jobs created by there spending.

Economics are a very complicated, and unpredictable science, where one small change can have tremendous snowballing effects. If that werent the case, than the goverment, financial analyst, planners, and the stock exchange all spending billions on keeping the econoy stable would be able to suceed.

The honest to god truth is that the more people in an area, the more currency getting exchanged. Wether illegals, or good ol Americans. More people mean more goods consumed, more services needed, ect., which means more businesses to provide them, which means more jobs to be filled, which when people get those jobs mean again, more goods consumed, more services needed....ect ect ect...

But again, before I get blasted,

I DO NOT SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. AND I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN.

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Old 02-26-2008, 12:02 AM   #29
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The Sherrouse clan has it right-good thread.THEY ARE HERE ILLIGALLY-change the law or enforce the law. Yes, they work hard, yes, many of them may be better characters thanmany legal citizens of the US. Enforcement of current laws, current immigration law, current gun control law, current tax law, current welfare law, etc. would give us all a lot less BS to bitch about. If rule of law doesn't matter,nothing does.:banghead:usaflag
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Old 02-26-2008, 12:20 AM   #30
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Here's a big number for ya Clay

"Mexicans working in the United States are a huge source of revenue for Mexico, sending home more than $16 billion in remittances in 2004, Mexico's second largest source of foreign currency after oil exports according to the country's central bank." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1I heard about this after mexico's government pleaded with arizona requesting that they not pass a law punishing employers for employing immigrants. Mexico's govn't said "our country depends on US dollars to survive, we do not have enough jobs or housing for our citizens.":reallycrying cry me a river please...wait..dont bother...they'll just swim across it.

The fact is we pass money from one person to another for products and services. The less money we have in the US to pass around here, due toimmigrants sending it to mexico or our demand for china's products,the more that our government is going to print and the lower the value of the printed money is going to be worth.
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