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Old 10-26-2017, 02:09 PM   #1
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Article 92 of the U.C.M.J.

Navy Sailor Refuses To Stand For National Anthem - IMMEDIATELY Regrets It.
WRITTEN BY DAVID MILLER

A former Navy intelligence specialist recently took a page out of

Colin Kaepernick's playbook and refused to stand for the national anthem during morning colors. However, she quickly learned she'd made a huge mistake.

Conservative Tribune reported that Petty Officer 2nd Class Janaye Ervin was stripped of her security clearance and assigned to menial labor for a few days before she was forced to leave the Navy for disrespecting our country so blatantly.

It all started on September 19, when Ervin refused to stand for the anthem when she was on reserve duty at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam in Hawaii. The International Business Times reported that Ervin claimed she was trying to make a statement about blacks being persecuted in the United States by doing this. "I just didn't want to stand at that moment," Ervin said "I can't stand for this song knowing that the song isn't for me, being black. The song doesn't represent me at all. To be honest, I never really thought about the flag my entire life, I had no reason to.

It's just a flag."

The next day, Ervin's superiors read her rights and gave her a warning about potentially compromising her security clearance, which she needed for both her military and civilian job. One day after that, she was stripped of her security clearance and escorted out of the secure area where she was working.

Ervin is now claiming that she was never told which order she was violating, but this is clearly a lie since she violated the 10th General Order for Sentries, "...To salute all officers and colors and standards not cased....." which is taught in Navy boot camp.

All members of the Navy are required to memorize all 11 general orders in boot camp, and they are aware that violating any one of them is subject to Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and is subject to whatever punishment is decided by court-martial.

On September 21, Ervin took to Facebook to publicly whine about how "unfair" this has been for her. "The Navy has decided to punish me for defending the Constitution and has taken away my equipment I need to do my Naval job," she wrote, according to PopularMilitary.com.

Hey, Janaye, the Navy did not take ANYTHING from you - you forfeited your own job when you knowingly violated a general order.

SHARE this story if you think she got what she deserved ...
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And she lived Unhappily ever after...the end.

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Every one of these POSs need to be sent away for a year to a country in the 3rd world (those places where MOST of the world's population lives) and forced to fend for themselves - no cell phones, no money, no toothbrush, no TP.

If they survive and want to return, they can join the ranks of those relying on "coyotes" to get them over the border.
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Old 10-27-2017, 12:18 AM   #7
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I agree a SAILOR WILL stand and salute the flag. I will too as a retired Naval Officer.

I'm okay with protestors that don't stand. I understand it might not be about the Flag or the Anthem. I understand it's a vehicle to bring awareness about a perceived injustice.

I'm okay with that.

Now some people will say it's an insult to the flag and to our service members.

Those NFL players will say it's not about the flag or service members. It's about police brutality.

I understand that argument.

I would suggest in the same vein, Confederate flags/memorials are not about slavery, but it's a "heritage" thing.

See the similarities?

NFL players: "It's NOT about the flag or service, it's about police brutality."

Southerner: "It's NOT about race, it's about heritage"

I think BOTH are wrong. It ends up about the flag, service, police brutality, and race and heritage.
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I agree a SAILOR WILL stand and salute the flag. I will too as a retired Naval Officer.

I'm okay with protestors that don't stand. I understand it might not be about the Flag or the Anthem. I understand it's a vehicle to bring awareness about a perceived injustice.

I'm okay with that.

Now some people will say it's an insult to the flag and to our service members.

Those NFL players will say it's not about the flag, or service members. It's about police brutality.

I understand that argument.

I would suggest in the same vein, Confederate flags/memorials are not about slavery, but it's a "heritage" thing.

See the similarities?

NFL players: "It's NOT about the flag or service, it's about police brutality."

Southerner: "It's NOT about race, it's about heritage"

I think BOTH are wrong. It ends up about the flag, service, and race and heritage.
I, respectfully, couldn't disagree more. it's about the flag, period. and by extension, all branches of service whose members and their families sacrifice, fight and die for the country that flag represents. I honestly can't take it when an NFL player says it's not about the flag or the anthem. they're wrong, point blank. and how they don't see that, or think everyone is so stupid to buy that load of crap, is beyond comprehension. but hey, let's keep up with the "shows of solidarity and unity" by doing the most divisive thing possible. it's gone real well for them and the NFL so far. now the statues, on the other hand, another discussion for another time, but you make a good point.
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I agree to a point. They kneel because they know it will bring a reaction. Much like Tommie Smith and Juan Carlos at the 1968 Olympics when they raised a black gloved fist and lowered their heads in protest during the Anthem. That, and a lot of other protests led to a better America. (my opinion).

I'm okay with the NFL players and their protests. They are NOT violating any law. They are not even violating NFL rules. The NFL rules say that players "SHOULD" stand for the Anthem.

A lawyer will tell you "should" is not the same as "SHALL". I assume the rule is part of a collective bargaining agreement (I could be wrong), so no matter what Jerry Jones says about it, he might be able to keep a player from playing, but that player will still get paid.

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but just because you "can" doesn't mean you "should." the 2 guys you mentioned, and even Malcolm Jenkins for the Eagles who raises his fist - at least they're standing. one may make an argument about how an nfl game is neither the time or place, but at least he's standing up. I don't love it, but it's much easier to stomach and doesn't turn me off before i ever hear what you have to say. not you, but you get it. for what it's worth - those guys in the '60s actually had a valid reason to protest some things.
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