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Old 05-14-2011, 12:53 AM   #31
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And you would be mortified at the things they would say as well. Hard to put a social faux pas into perspective with more than two centuries in between the two parties.
Notice I said "I suspect" which means it is my opinion. Also, remember that they were reacting to a government which did NOT give them freedom and, therefore, guaranteed freedom even if it went against what they personally believed was right or acceptable. Like it or not, burning a flag is political speech protected by our constitution. It is not treason and it is not against the law. Therefore, whether we agree with it or not, it is allowed. That is why the guy is not arrested, but rather protected by the law enforcement present. You can't have it both ways. We are either free or we are not. BTW, at what point are you willing to draw the line on what can and can't be done? No flag burning? OK, but then let's say you cannot make a political cartoon against the president because he is our Commander in Chief. Then let's say we cannot protest on government property because the government is who "protects" us. Then...OK, maybe a slippery slope argument, but you get my drift.

I'm not gonna go and burn a flag, but I'm sure not going to murder or even injure a guy who does it. The best way to handle it....ignore him.
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Old 05-14-2011, 10:49 AM   #32
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I'm not gonna go and burn a flag, but I'm sure not going to murder or even injure a guy who does it. The best way to handle it....ignore him.

This guy sets fire to a flag because it will enrage a bunch of people, wanna stop flag burning.... Pay no attention to anyone that burns a flag and this issue goes to bed very quickly. I imagine walking past a burning flag and going on with my day as usual paying it no mind. Not a look or listen to what some person may be spouting off.. With no reaction he goes away. Your sensationalizing it is what breeds it. Its time to evolve.

I would bet, i may be wrong. That if burning one flag would get Obama out of office, there would be a line formed that stretched for miles with a few of our locals first in line with a book of matches. Would it not be a better choice for the country right now?
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Old 05-14-2011, 01:31 PM   #33
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"The American flag that flew on the pole over the LSU War Memorial was cut down and burned early Monday morning, LSU Police Department and witnesses reported.

The burning occurred only hours after President Barack Obama announced Sunday night al Qaida leader Osama bin Laden's death in combat.

Cpt. William Conger, University military science associate professor, said he and three ROTC students discovered the charred remains of the flag at 5:45 a.m. during physical training. They later retired the flag.



Wednesday May 11, 2011

A mob of angry protesters chased a would-be flag burner at Louisiana State University (LSU) off campus Wednesday to chants of "USA, USA."

Graduate communications student Benjamin Haas had earlier been given permission by the school to burn the flag. But because he lacked a local burn permit, he agreed instead to read a statement in an area of the university known as free speech alley.

As Haas read the statement, a crowd around him erupted into cheers and jeers, many shouting "Go to hell, hippie, go to hell."

"You had a lot of people on both sides of the debate getting into a lot of fights," said James Haralson, manager of Tiger TV, the university television station. "The students started yelling obscenities at him. People started throwing bottles at him.""

The title is somewhat misleading but my point and what I like in this video is free speech vs free speech....There are many places in the world where this guy would be killed even for thinking of doing this .. I bet is was an eye opener and when he saw himself surround by a couple thousand people that hate him and then he lives to tell about it then maybe he will find some respect from it. If not I can show him a few dozen mob justice videos where his type are not so lucky........

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Old 05-14-2011, 02:34 PM   #34
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Big nada on that one. The charge is HARASSMENT and I have been charged before with that one. A girlie man who wasn't big in the pants thought he would call the "cops" when it was time to answer for the BS he was talking/doing and he was saved. I was 1000% in the right but the LEO's said I was "harassing" this bastard. Sooooo freedom of speech only goes so far. Burn a flag and you should be fine??????????
That's my point...when the cops (goverment representatives) showed up they defended his right to free speech. His rights would have only been violated if the cops had stood by and let you kick his ass.

Now, if when they had gotten there they had found a bloody pulp and took statements from witnesses that he broke his arms, knocked out his teeth, and cracked his skull when he fell off his bar stool...that would have been the end of it...provided he was still breathing. The cops would have mopped him up and made sure that he recieved medical attention. No violation of his rights would have resulted, only the consequences of exercising very poor judgement.
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Notice I said "I suspect" which means it is my opinion. Also, remember that they were reacting to a government which did NOT give them freedom and, therefore, guaranteed freedom even if it went against what they personally believed was right or acceptable. Like it or not, burning a flag is political speech protected by our constitution. It is not treason and it is not against the law. Therefore, whether we agree with it or not, it is allowed. That is why the guy is not arrested, but rather protected by the law enforcement present. You can't have it both ways. We are either free or we are not. BTW, at what point are you willing to draw the line on what can and can't be done? No flag burning? OK, but then let's say you cannot make a political cartoon against the president because he is our Commander in Chief. Then let's say we cannot protest on government property because the government is who "protects" us. Then...OK, maybe a slippery slope argument, but you get my drift.

I'm not gonna go and burn a flag, but I'm sure not going to murder or even injure a guy who does it. The best way to handle it....ignore him.
I'm not saying what the Founding Fathers would think about the matter. I'm saying that nobody should try to say what the Founding Fathers think about the matter. People were very different back then. You can make assumptions based on other ideas they had. But I wouldn't put words into their mouths. If I wanted to make assumptions, I could point to the fact that if some of our Founding Fathers engaged in pistol duels in order to settle disagreements, then I can assume that they wouldn't care about a man today shooting the flag burner in the face. You can spin the story either way, so it's best not to use them as supporting figures to a modern viewpoint on a modern scenario as detailed and complex as this one.
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