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Old 05-23-2008, 12:14 PM   #11
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Baitcaster (5/22/2008)would have to question #2 , and I recommend Lucas fuel treatment .

first I've heard of the Lucas oil treatment, would like to see a study on that .
Lucas fuel treatment just might be as good or better, I don't know. All I can say is the facts as I have experienced myself. I don't have experience with the Lucas FT. When we find a product we like we have a tendency to recommend it.

I helped a friend remove a V-6 Ford motor to have it rebuilt. Damn that was the toughest motor to R&R I have ever done. Was in a F-150. After we installed it he put Lucas Oil treatment in it. The engine was at operating temp. This past Jan he had to go into the engine as something had failed. What he found was the Lucas gathered up in the bottom of his oil pan. Obviously it didn't mix with the oil he used. GTX is what he uses. That is all I can say about what happened. Nothing scientific, just personal observation.
the fuel treatment will clean you injectors big time and with the crappy gas they sell now a days, i highly recomend it. the oil treatment i've never tried, alot of mechanics discourage against its use for that reason, dont want to mix. trans-x is the best product ever made in my opinion...i had an old gmc 4x4 that sat for 2 years, new battery and started right up but wouldn't even move, tranny was shot...i thought. my dad got some trans-x and just let it run 15 minutes, put in reverse, then drive...all fixed. but, if you use it, only use it for a month or so, then change your tranny filter cause it'll knock everything loose, all the shaved metals and sludge thats formed thru time.

for a leaky trans, some recommend a "tranny-stop-leak"...don't do it, its a really thick fluid that'll burn it up. if you have a leak, something wasn't done right, do it again...no shortcuts. if you need help with that konz, just give me a shout, been a grease-monkey all my life.

now if you want to get around 40 to 80 mpg on a carb fed engine ie...305, 350, 400, etc... i might be able to help you out, but not with fuel injection...progress took us backwards in alot of ways.
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now if you want to get around 40 to 80 mpg on a carb fed engine ie...305, 350, 400, etc... i might be able to help you out, but not with fuel injection...progress took us backwards in alot of ways.
have any information on that??? thats a great MPG out of any of those engines....unless of course your putting them on a go kart oke
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now if you want to get around 40 to 80 mpg on a carb fed engine ie...305, 350, 400, etc... i might be able to help you out, but not with fuel injection...progress took us backwards in alot of ways.
have any information on that??? thats a great MPG out of any of those engines....unless of course your putting them on a go kart oke
i got the info pretty much memorized (i know, thats skeery), but its the principle of pre-heating the gas, burning the vapors (which you lose 10% power), which is why bigger engines are better for this. the excess which isn't burnt has a runoff return line. to preheat your gas could be an electrical wound set up or a cheaper way is to route an extra line from the radiator used for heating. i went with my father about 25 years ago when this dude got 100 mpg from his caddy with a 500 under the hood...501 or something like that. in turn, my dad and i put a system on a 1975 buick electrolimited with a 455 quadro-JUNK carb. around town it didn't benefit, but when we went on a trip, 65 mpg out of that car. i feel its the information the man with the plan dont want people to know...but it does work.
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never had a prob with any vapor lock, only drawback was you didn't want to turn the system on till the engine was at a running temperature...if the engine was too cool, adverse effects, sucked gas. of course we had a cheap to build system using the radiator, but we put an electrical coil system on our neighbors car, bronco with a 351, at the flick of a switch it heated quickly...he got about 50 to the gal.

the problem with this system nowadays, i'm understanding their throwing ethanol in with the gas, and i'm too lazy to do the math on the:

1. vaporizing temp without combustion, if that aint right, it'll be a bad day.

2. with the additives in today's fuel, will it be dependable on the calculations, any differences may cause "a bad day" again.

3. finding a good running truck WITHOUT that stupid computer in it.

4. getting the motivation to find a good truck, getting old and get the brain pain when thinking too much. (this statement is too easy, dont bother) lmao

5. thinking about relocating soon.

if someone wants to get together and i'll draw up the schematics to a couple systems, you become rich, buy me a motorcycle of my choice....if you go missing like the guy with the caddy, erased...dont give me ANY credit, you dont know my name.
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konz (5/22/2008)no all gaskets have been replaced.....just looking for something to make it easier on my tranny

you know how noisy those dodge trannys are....lol


All this talk of dodging trannies...you talking about the beach this weekend?:grouphug
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konz (5/22/2008)no all gaskets have been replaced.....just looking for something to make it easier on my tranny

you know how noisy those dodge trannys are....lol


All this talk of dodging trannies...you talking about the beach this weekend?:grouphug
thanx for the invite but you'll have to go without me, i'm not that way.
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