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Old 01-29-2011, 03:54 AM   #11
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I was stopped in Tennessee last iweek, it was the first time since I became a CCW holder. I was stopped by a U.S. park ranger, I voluntarily told him that I was a CCW permit holder in Florida after I was asked if there were any weapons in the vehicle. He asked what type of weapons and where they were located in the vehicle, after telling him a .380 was in the console he asked me to step to the front of his car while he removed it. He explained that he was going to run the serial number on the gun and didn\'t feel comfortable leaving the gun in the vehicle while he checked my info. I personally think he was professional in his actions and don\'t see the problem an individual would have with being asked.

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Old 01-29-2011, 10:09 AM   #12
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Actually Scubapro, must of us leo's are "gun people". We just prefer the guns to be in the hands of those law abiding citizens that have taken the steps to educate and train themselves in the use and laws regarding their weapons. I have come across many people that have a CCP that don't know their own head from a hole in the ground. Those are the ones you gotta worry about. As far as voluntering the info on a stop, it shouldn't really matter to the officer but I do like to know about it. As stated above its better to know the person has a permit, than to have a shirt inadvertantly move and see a concealed gun near someone's hand.
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mongo,

Good to hear from a local LEO. Pleased to hear that most of your fellow officers are not opposed to citizen CCWs & CWLs.

On a business trip last week, I was pulled over for a non-functioning left brake light by the Roswell, GA PD. I could tell by the change in the left turn signal rate that a bulb had gone out earlier that morning but figured I'd deal with it when convenient. I could also tell this was a situation with an FTO and a newer officer by watching the officers in my side mirrors (my rear window was blocked by clothes hanging on a rod).

I rolled down both front windows, had my wallet in my lap before anyone approached, turned off the ignition and placed the keys on the dash, and sat quietly with both hands on the top of the steering wheel & waited for an officer to approach. The younger officer cautiously approached on the passenger side of the vehicle, introduced himself, and explained the reason for the stop. I smiled and told him I was aware something was up with the turn signal/brake light and provided him my FL DL.

He returned to his vehicle with the other officer to run my license (I was surprised he didn't ask for registration and proof of insurance). I have previously provided training to the Roswell PD but I didn't recognize the younger officer or the sergent who was with him. On this particular day I was headed to meet with the Lawrenceville PD - but made no mention to the officer of the reason for my trip, nor was I asked any questions by the officer.

After a couple of minutes the officer returned -- but to the driver's side window -- with my license and a "courtesy warning" for the defective quipment. I said "thank you" -- and for him to tell Chief Williams that I said hello. He looked shocked for a moment, then a big smile as he walked back to tell the FTO. I went back on my way without incident.

During the entire process, I had a Detonics Combat Master on my belt, a Rohrbaugh R9s in my right front pocket, and a Makora auto knife in my rear pocket -- along with a Mauser M2 pistol that I had converted from .40S&W to 10mm in the front console. At no time was either officer in danger. IF I had been asked to exit the vehicle I May have decided to disclose the presence of CCWs, but probably not as I was wearing adequate clothing for concealment.

Sadly, not all officers -- nor departments -- are like you & yours, or many in the Southeast. I provide training to departments throughout the US (except Kalifornia)and always travel with a CCW where it is legal for me to do so. (I'm not looking forward to a trip to NJ in a couple of weeks because of their restrictive laws regarding firearms and ammunition). Many departments and officers in the Northeast, Pacific Northwest, and Upper Midwest do not share your understanding or acceptance of armed law abiding citizens. Therefore, I will continue the practice of disclosure only where required by law.
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Old 01-29-2011, 03:10 PM   #14
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Don't a lot of states have a designation on their drivers licenses that the owner has a ccw permit?
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Old 01-29-2011, 09:24 PM   #15
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scubapro,

Its funny you mention how different they do things in the north sometimes. I bout laughed my ass of at a group of FBI agents that had flown in from Boston to Pensacola last summer. I was running radar by the airport and stopped them for moving a little too fast. As soon as I walked up to the car and saw four suits with their hands on the head rests and dashboard I knew I had a car load of some kinda cops. Sure enough the driver spoke before I had a chance and said "Officer sorry I was speeding, I want to inform you that we are all FBI agents and we are all armed. Let us know what we need to do to keep this safe" I told him thanks and said just relax, it doesn't bother me that your armed as long as you don't pull it out. They all looked shocked and he asked me why I wasn't bothered knowing that four strangers were armed before I could confirm their identity. I said, Sir this is the south, everyone down here has a gun, I have a gun you have a gun that old lady in the wheelchair probably has two guns. Seeing guns down here is about as surprising as seeing hamburgers in McDonalds. We chatted for a few minutes before they left but I think I made them a little uncomfortable. I understand why you don't disclose though, and I can't say that I blame you.
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...After that, I listed all of the reciprocity states for the FL CWL on the back of my license and color-coded them according to their laws regarding voluntary disclosure when in the presence of an LEO. Green for no requirement, and red/pink for required disclosure.



My list of states needs to be updated to include a few that have been added...
I like your idea of attaching LEO notification requirements on the back of your CCW. Where can you get the updated info? Thanks.
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I like your idea of attaching LEO notification requirements on the back of your CCW. Where can you get the updated info? Thanks.
Yeah, you might want to update that. SC honors FL's license. But SC does require you to tell the officer that you are carrying if they ask for identification.
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This site has excellent and updated information: http://www.handgunlaw.us/
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mongo,

During the entire process, I had a Detonics Combat Master on my belt, a Rohrbaugh R9s in my right front pocket, and a Makora auto knife in my rear pocket -- along with a Mauser M2 pistol that I had converted from .40S&W to 10mm in the front console. At no time was either officer in danger. IF I had been asked to exit the vehicle I May have decided to disclose the presence of CCWs, but probably not as I was wearing adequate clothing for concealment.
Damn you were seriously strapped. Getting a jump start on 2012?
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Nope -- always carry a primary + spare mag, a back-up, a knife, a small pocket flashlight, and a Benchmade "tactical pen" when working. Better to have and not need -- than need and not have...
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