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Old 08-05-2011, 12:40 PM   #31
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Theivery is a product of lazyness or weakness and is violation of the social contract that we have with each other that allows our civilization to thrive. That contract states that I agree to leave your s#%t alone and you agree to do likewise so that we both can focus on more productive enterprises such as keeping the electricity flowing, the garbage picked up and food on the grocery store shelves. Because lazyness and weakness are human failings that sometimes crop up in momentary lapses in judgement, theivery doesn't rise to the level of a capital crime (unless I catch you) as far as the law is concerned. The theif has taken it upon himself to judge that his needs outweigh mine and acts with total disregard for the effect that his actions might have on my ability to survive. This is the absence of civilization.

As far as what happened in New Orleans following Katrina, look at what happened in Japan following the tsunami. Where would you say the popular sense of the social contract is the strongest? Those in New Orleans were lazy, weak, human garbage.

Very well said. Simply put shy of a Life and Death situation there is absolutely no excuse for stealing. No matter what the value is or who is stolen from. In the situation of Life and Death yes I would steal then it is my responsibility to make it right at the first possible moment.
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Wax philosophical all you want but by the Laws of God and man, stealing is wrong and a crime.
BOOM!! There it is, short , simple , and true. Thief =Scum of the Earth. I have helped many people down on thier luck that did not steal. I can't count the amount of places that will, house, feed, clothe most anyone willing to ask for help, and if you have a kid it's pretty much a done deal.

If your too proud to ask but not too proud to steal you have mental issues and need more then food. Deal is , most thieves are not robbing you for food, they are robbing you because they have a drug habit that cost 5 times more then they USED to make at the job they lost for being strung out. So now they steal from people and sell or trade your stuff for drugs.

How many of the multiple home invasion/robberies have you seen that were committed by a single parent? All crack/Oxyheads, or plain ole jerk off punks.

Long and short, YES they are a waste of DNA or Garbage take your pick. should be made Organ donors early.
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Some of you answered very plainly and some hit on other questions not asked. Just so we don't confuse the question, let me simplify and repeat my original question. Does thief ALWAYS equal human trash and a waste of DNA?

Thank you for your thoughts, they have been fun to read. I'm not trying to prove a point or change anyones mind, just looking for some thoughtful discussion.
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People will say all kinds of stuff on internet message boards. Some of the weirdest stuff (like "I would put a bullet in so-and-so's head right now") is posted in law and order threads. Some people need to vent out of frustration, others have a bizarre need to feel like a tough guy.



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As someone has already stated, Thou shalt not steal. It is black and white, clear and simple. It is wrong to steal.

Do we have the right to curse or label this person anything more than a thief? Judge not that ye be judged.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

A person who steals is a thief and broke the Commandment. He/she is a thief.

Hiding behind a keyboard hurling fierce, nasty words may make some folks feel better.

I can see no justification for stealing in our Socialist Utopia. Just ask and it will be given. The goverment takes from those who have worked and earned their money and gives to the ones who have not. Is this stealing?

Thanks for a very thought provoking post Jeff.

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Here is another interesting twist to think about. In the hispanic culture (South America) stealing from the rich is considered acceptable. In other words, to steal from the government or from a wealthy land owner is not considered wrong because the wealthy land owner and the government got their wealth off the backs of the poor. The argument is that the wealth was gained unjustly, therefore, they are not really stealing...they are simply taking what should have been theirs in the first place. I never realized this until just recently while having a conversation with a person of great influence in South America. I am not agreeing with this view, just saying that the view exists. I imagine hardly any of us on the forum would agree to this view. Hey, there was even a movie about it....Robin Hood.
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There is no justification for stealing. If your family is starving, then get a job. It might not be the job you want, but take it. Get on welfare. That's already stealing from me to give to the poor, so take it from there.
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A thief is the scum of the earth
always has been and always will. If u need to feed your family, there is plenty of places that will help u.
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Here is another interesting twist to think about. In the hispanic culture (South America) stealing from the rich is considered acceptable. In other words, to steal from the government or from a wealthy land owner is not considered wrong because the wealthy land owner and the government got their wealth off the backs of the poor. The argument is that the wealth was gained unjustly, therefore, they are not really stealing...they are simply taking what should have been theirs in the first place. I never realized this until just recently while having a conversation with a person of great influence in South America. I am not agreeing with this view, just saying that the view exists. I imagine hardly any of us on the forum would agree to this view. Hey, there was even a movie about it....Robin Hood.
In the good ole USA we have the possibility of education that can lead us into a better quality of life. Unfortunately I see many kids and their parents who do not take advantage of this opportunity. In South and Central America where there are Banana Republics as well as fledging democracies, this is not the case. If you drive along the Rio Grande near some border towns in Texas you can see the shanties just across the river. I do not see how a kid can pull himself out of that squalor. So, I guess I feel a double standard for those south of us, kind of like Robin Hood fighting the Sheriff of Nottingham. Those old families have been using peasants forever to get rich.
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As someone has already stated, Thou shalt not steal. It is black and white, clear and simple. It is wrong to steal.

Do we have the right to curse or label this person anything more than a thief? Judge not that ye be judged.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

A person who steals is a thief and broke the Commandment. He/she is a thief.

Hiding behind a keyboard hurling fierce, nasty words may make some folks feel better.

I can see no justification for stealing in our Socialist Utopia. Just ask and it will be given. The goverment takes from those who have worked and earned their money and gives to the ones who have not. Is this stealing?

Thanks for a very thought provoking post Jeff.

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You are a credit to humanity Tom. Great reply
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