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Old 09-16-2011, 03:00 PM   #21
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The average cost per flying hour would range from about $3000 to about $6000 per hour depending on several factors (how old the aircraft is, how large the crew is, etc....). The AC-130U runs about 5-6 grand an hour to operate (and slick C-130E/H would be on the low end of the scale with the MC-130H running about $4000).
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:42 PM   #22
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Old 09-17-2011, 08:31 AM   #23
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Old 09-17-2011, 08:44 AM   #24
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$6000 is way low on the hourly cost. Jet A fuel is around $4-5 gallon at 6lbs/Gallon 6000 lbs an hour that's at least 1000 gallons x 4.50=$4500 just for fuel, now add engine time, oil, crew salary x 13x per hour plus ordinance fired. The only thing we fly that comes in less than 3k an hour would be those T-6s and Bell Jet Rangers that whiting trains with. Even a T-1 which I fly works out to burn about 1500-2500 lbs of gas on a local training sortie and that is about 1.5-2.0 hours flight time.
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$6000 is way low on the hourly cost. Jet A fuel is around $4-5 gallon at 6lbs/Gallon 6000 lbs an hour that's at least 1000 gallons x 4.50=$4500 just for fuel, now add engine time, oil, crew salary x 13x per hour plus ordinance fired. The only thing we fly that comes in less than 3k an hour would be those T-6s and Bell Jet Rangers that whiting trains with. Even a T-1 which I fly works out to burn about 1500-2500 lbs of gas on a local training sortie and that is about 1.5-2.0 hours flight time.
Yeah - but you have to understand the Air Force Cost Per Flying Hour (CPFH) calculation. It's based upon the cost of all parts and fuels consumed divided by the total hours flown. This does not include the personnel costs as they are fixed. Ultimately, this means the more hours they fly, the cheaper the CPFH; the less they fly, the more expensive the CPFH. Yes - fuel is a consumption item but it is calculated the same.

Lots of variables but that's it - hard for laymen to understand but that's how it's calculated, how the programs are funded, and how they are reported to congress. (I used to do this for a living)

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Yeah - but you have to understand the Air Force Cost Per Flying Hour (CPFH) calculation. It's based upon the cost of all parts and fuels consumed divided by the total hours flown. This does not include the personnel costs as they are fixed. Ultimately, this means the more hours they fly, the cheaper the CPFH; the less they fly, the more expensive the CPFH. Yes - fuel is a consumption item but it is calculated the same.

Lots of variables but that's it - hard for laymen to understand but that's how it's calculated, how the programs are funded, and how they are reported to congress. (I used to do this for a living)

Who really cares what the cost is...if those guys need a little extra "practice time", let them have it. It's only our Freedom they are looking after.
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Old 09-17-2011, 05:56 PM   #27
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A C-130 slick model burns approx. 1600 pounds per engine (4) per hour at cruise. So that roughly 1100 gallons per hours.The Government pays approx. $3.20 per gallon. An AC-130 burns more because the extra wieght and more at lower altitude. Still a small price to pay for Freedom. We should bring all be bad guys to range and give the Gunners live targets to shoot. Fish in Barrel.
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Old 09-17-2011, 06:19 PM   #28
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1600 pounds per engine/per hour is a the high side for a slick. The MC-130H (very heavy plane) burned about 5000-5500 pounds per hour high level and 6300 pounds low level (except with the refueling pods on and the burn rate could be has high as 8000 pounds an hour low level). The C-130E/H/H2 burned considerably less, around 4000-4500 pounds per hour. Spent many years navigating the mighty Herc around the world. CPFH depends on alot of other factors. Still pretty expensive but will worth it.
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