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Old 11-24-2009, 09:49 AM   #11
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Deeplines (11/24/2009)After reading Will's post I see where you are heading. DAMN that went right over my head.

I will leave that up to Chris and the MODS. None of my business, I don't own the PFF.
Can't find Will's post that Murph is talking about or the "Blue Hoo" post. Is this what has prompted this post?

Garbo, your question seems to be hinting around to a more specific situation that has you questioning the Moderation. Can you speak to what has happened that has made youstart this thread?
The 2nd post on this thread.

I thought Curtis was talking about something else.
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In my opinion, "moderation" is the catch word; not only in moderating, but also in posting. If we, as posters, will step back and re-read, and moderate or tone down what we are about to put out there in front of twelve thousand (that is 12,000) potential members, and unlimited guests, of all ages, races, religions (some none), and sport affiliations, we will eliminate the need for corporate sponsored moderators. I try to follow this pratice, as a rule, but occasionally I am drawn into a heated debate. I usually go back and re-read my post even a day after I have put it up, and if my position has wained, I will delete it myself. The most difficult part of posting on a computer isthat weare sitting here punching keys and reading on the screeen, (1 person) and typically we have 1 or 2 people in mind that we are responding to (right now I am thinking of Curtis, irregardless of the other 11,999; oh - and Lane also - talk about a dang good moderator)therefore we tend to type with tunnel vision. After the post is up for the world to see, then others jump on in response - using the same tunnel vision. We would never think of holding these discussions on the 50 yard line in front of a packed football stadium. But, think about it, we do worse.

And, again in my opinion, corporate moderators should exercise extreme restraint in posting personal opinions about anything. Once they cross the line and posttheir ownopinion they have in effect taken a side in a multi-faceted, opinionated, discussion; and, theywill have lost all credibility with the opposing side, and will have lost some supportof their own proponents because noone will really know where the moderator stands on the unspoken topics. One of the drawbacks to censorship is that it creates suspicion and restraint of free expression.

I propose that we all invoke some personal moderation. I promise not to type so much on the next post.
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fishn4real (11/24/2009)In my opinion, "moderation" is the catch word; not only in moderating, but also in posting. If we, as posters, will step back and re-read, and moderate or tone down what we are about to put out there in front of twelve thousand (that is 12,000) potential members, and unlimited guests, of all ages, races, religions (some none), and sport affiliations, we will eliminate the need for corporate sponsored moderators. I try to fillow this, as a rule, but occasionally I am drawn into a heated debate. I usually go back and re-read my post even a day after I have put it up, and if my position has wained, I will delete it myself. The most difficult part of posting on a computer is you are sitting there punching keys and reading on the screeen, (1 person) and typically we have 1 or 2 people in mind that we are responding to (right now I am thinking of Curtis, irregardless of the other 11,999, oh - and Lane also - talk about a dang good moderator)therefore we tend to type with tunnel vision. After the post is up for the world to see, then others jump on in response - using the same tunnel vision. We would never think of holding these discussions on the 50 yard line in front of a packed football stadium. But, think about it, we do worse.

And, again in my opinion, corporate moderators should exercise extreme restraint in posting personal opinions about anything. Once they cross the line and posttheir ownopinion they have in effect taken a side in a multi-faceted, opinionated, discussion; and, theywill have lost all credibility with the opposing side, and will have lost some supportof their own proponents because noone will really know where the moderator stands on the unspoken topics. One of the drawbacks to censorship is that it creates suspicion and restraint of free expression.

I propose that we all invoke some personal moderation. I promise not to type so much on the next post.
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Old 11-24-2009, 10:23 AM   #14
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Moderation is actually pretty easy if the player's involved have a set "rules of engagement" or etiquette that is followed. The problems always start, at least on here when those involved want to get personal, name-calling, bad attitudes, out for vengeance, or just do things for spite, etc.

As a moderator, I tend to excuse myself from the decision making if I get involved in the discussions. If I do get involved, I will pass it off to another moderator if action is requested or needed.
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Old 11-24-2009, 10:53 AM   #15
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I am a moderator on 2 other sites here local,(Ohio) and moderate as the wishes of the owner and the rules of the forums(put in place by the owner)I in no way let my personal feelings or friendships with other members take away from that duty!!....now with that said....these forums I refer to are no where as large as this one(numbers of members)so this forum will have alot more diversified membership which would add to the moderation process.

I remember several years ago we had a influx of new members starting trouble(thought from the other forum down there (Floridasportsman) and things were said... how fast there moderators would delete threads and post (that they didn't agree with)....I see thisforum going in that direction as of late....maybe from personal feelings or friendships.

the recent one of Blue hoo what happened to that?? I never really saw anything out-of-line...as some in the past that went on way to long in my opinion!!

I respect all opinions form everyone as long as it is civil.... with noname calling,swearingand such....now I logged off so I don't know where the thread went after....but I have alot of respect for some that posted negative comments(but the truth)on the thread and know they weren't lies.

I don't want to second guess the Mod's as to why....but sometimes you need to not mod on your personal relationships or friendships(not everyone see's it your way).....as you due so inyour moderating....just my 3 cents worth.

and i hope this forum doesn't keep on the track of the other one that I no longer frequent

and Will (Desperado) you impress me more everyday!!!....thanks!!!:clap
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Ideally-- the members would moderate themselves, and there wouldn't have to be an eye-in-the-sky to keep people in line.

The problem lies in the inherent nature of the medium-- written word. Not all of us are as articulate as you (Mr Garbo). This leads to people trying to read between the lines and second guess each other. The inherent nature of people, especially in a quasi-public setting,makes them react defensively, and people start getting all jumpy. Why is that their (our) nature? I don't know. (I think youstarted a post a while back about little man syndrome?)

Bottom line: If all members would make their best effort to commuicate at the highest level possible and exercise a little tolerance, then there would be no need for moderation. Until then, whoever is responsible for this whole thing has to draw the line somewhere, and as you pointed out, that line is going to be somewhat subjective. We can only hope that it is applied evenly across the board.
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ironman172 (11/24/2009)I am a moderator on 2 other sites here local,(Ohio) and moderate as the wishes of the owner and the rules of the forums(put in place by the owner)I in no way let my personal feelings or friendships with other members take away from that duty!!....now with that said....these forums I refer to are no where as large as this one(numbers of members)so this forum will have alot more diversified membership which would add to the moderation process.

I remember several years ago we had a influx of new members starting trouble(thought from the other forum down there (Floridasportsman) and things were said... how fast there moderators would delete threads and post (that they didn't agree with)....I see thisforum going in that direction as of late....maybe from personal feelings or friendships.

the recent one of Blue hoo what happened to that?? I never really saw anything out-of-line...as some in the past that went on way to long in my opinion!!

I respect all opinions form everyone as long as it is civil.... with noname calling,swearingand such....now I logged off so I don't know where the thread went after....but I have alot of respect for some that posted negative comments(but the truth)on the thread and know they weren't lies.

I don't want to second guess the Mod's as to why....but sometimes you need to not mod on your personal relationships or friendships(not everyone see's it your way).....as you due so inyour moderating....just my 3 cents worth.

and i hope this forum doesn't keep on the track of the other one that I no longer frequent

and Will (Desperado) you impress me more everyday!!!....thanks!!!:clap
you may be talking about FS forums.they delete anything and everything you dont agree with or if you disagree with them they ban you.if that wasnt such a big forum it would not haVE made it.1 particular mod there once you get on his bad side your done.i stopped posting on that nazi forum 5 years ago.the mods here are way more fair than any other forum ive been to.the hull truth is the slackest ive seen they only delete spam everything else goes,people shoot straight from the hip and tell it like it is.no sugar coated BS I like the what you see is what you get from people.people that pretend to ALWAYS be nice are the ones i dont trust.
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fishFEEDER9697 (11/24/2009)Ideally-- the members would moderate themselves, and there wouldn't have to be an eye-in-the-sky to keep people in line.

The problem lies in the inherent nature of the medium-- written word. Not all of us are as articulate as you (Mr Garbo). This leads to people trying to read between the lines and second guess each other. The inherent nature of people, especially in a quasi-public setting,makes them react defensively, and people start getting all jumpy. Why is that their (our) nature? I don't know. (I think youstarted a post a while back about little man syndrome?)

Bottom line: If all members would make their best effort to commuicate at the highest level possible and exercise a little tolerance, then there would be no need for moderation. Until then, whoever is responsible for this whole thing has to draw the line somewhere, and as you pointed out, that line is going to be somewhat subjective. We can only hope that it is applied evenly across the board.
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fishFEEDER9697 (11/24/2009)Ideally-- the members would moderate themselves, and there wouldn't have to be an eye-in-the-sky to keep people in line.

The problem lies in the inherent nature of the medium-- written word. Not all of us are as articulate as you (Mr Garbo). This leads to people trying to read between the lines and second guess each other. The inherent nature of people, especially in a quasi-public setting,makes them react defensively, and people start getting all jumpy. Why is that their (our) nature? I don't know. (I think youstarted a post a while back about little man syndrome?)

Bottom line: If all members would make their best effort to commuicate at the highest level possible and exercise a little tolerance, then there would be no need for moderation. Until then, whoever is responsible for this whole thing has to draw the line somewhere, and as you pointed out, that line is going to be somewhat subjective. We can only hope that it is applied evenly across the board.
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fishFEEDER9697 (11/24/2009)Ideally-- the members would moderate themselves, and there wouldn't have to be an eye-in-the-sky to keep people in line.

The problem lies in the inherent nature of the medium-- written word. Not all of us are as articulate as you (Mr Garbo). This leads to people trying to read between the lines and second guess each other. The inherent nature of people, especially in a quasi-public setting,makes them react defensively, and people start getting all jumpy. Why is that their (our) nature? I don't know. (I think youstarted a post a while back about little man syndrome?)

Bottom line: If all members would make their best effort to commuicate at the highest level possible and exercise a little tolerance, then there would be no need for moderation. Until then, whoever is responsible for this whole thing has to draw the line somewhere, and as you pointed out, that line is going to be somewhat subjective. We can only hope that it is applied evenly across the board.
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X3...I was always taught that if you had something you didn't like about someone, you keep it to yourself or bring it up to them privately. Our family would have "meetings" we called it ho'o pono pono. We would discuss our "displeasure" with others and discuss it maturely. If you got mad, you left to cool off and came back. On here, it would be done through PMs. If someone is an ASS, they might only be one to you, if they were to everyone, it would be known to all and no need for calling them out.

Anyone can check my history and find out that I don't post many reports. I happen to go out with Stressless 95% of the time and would rather he report on the day (he has a way about it) than I do.

Moderators should act on the wishes (rules) of the owner and keep personal feelings aside. I think that they are doing a very good job of it here.

There is a lot of people on here that have a LOT to offer most of it good some of it bad. I think that if all or most of any negative thoughts were kept in PMs, there would be a hell of a lot more people on this forum.

The old saying of "If it walks like a duck and smells like a duck............then it's a duck". True colors come through in the end. No need to convert others, let them form their own opinions....:doh Said all this and I haven't had a :letsdrink yet.....Must be the OLD age syndrome kickin in.....:reallycrying
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