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Old 07-14-2013, 03:37 PM   #11
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Deeplines, It sounds like perhaps you're familiar with law vs hear-say.

I know that many people frequently split expenses with private boat owners. would that constitute a charter?

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Here's the USCG brochure. It says sharing actual expenses is not a "consideration".

http://www.uscg.mil/d7/sectMiami/pdf...erBrochure.pdf

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Old 07-14-2013, 03:45 PM   #13
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Is there a story behind this question, Billybob? Like others have said, you shouldn't have a problem just out fishing with friends or taking people on your boat.

Interested to see how the other answers to your question pan out. To me (just a normal recreational fisherman), it seems like more of an ethical issue. I'll have to think about it for a while, though.



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Is there a story behind this question, Billybob? Like others have said, you shouldn't have a problem just out fishing with friends or taking people on your boat.

Interested to see how the other answers to your question pan out. To me (just a normal recreational fisherman), it seems like more of an ethical issue. I'll have to think about it for a while, though.
Some folks just like to be from Missouri "show me". I hear so much crap about things I cant do and can do in this industry sometimes you just have to find it in black and white and that doesnt mean in a post from some blog.
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Some folks just like to be from Missouri "show me". I hear so much crap about things I cant do and can do in this industry sometimes you just have to find it in black and white and that doesnt mean in a post from some blog.
I think that what I was really wondering is whether or not the OP wanted to run a charter (like being hired as a guide, like Pat Dineen or Tyler Massey or Chris Phillips) under the guise of just being a normal recreational fisherman with some pals s/he just happened to pick up at the dock. Or if the OP had been ticketed for some violation.

I think I get your point, though. This probably isn't the best place to ask that kind of question if one is thinking of riding the ragged edge of the law.

Honestly, I have never even thought about what actually constitutes a charter.



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Thanks JimT. that is EXACTLY what I was looking for! you da man!
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Here's the USCG brochure. It says sharing actual expenses is not a "consideration".

http://www.uscg.mil/d7/sectMiami/pdf...erBrochure.pdf

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I say "technically", but you could argue wear and tear on the boat and motor is the Owner's "fair share" I guess.

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The cost of the fuel, ice, bait, etc. for the day is the cheap part. Cost of the boat, upkeep, license, insurance, etc. is the more costly part. My friends usually chip in around $50-$60 each. I seldom end up with more than the actual cost of the gas.
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Charter, headboat and saltwater fishing guide operations must have an FWC charter captain or boat license to cover their passengers, who are not required to hold a recreational saltwater fishing license. Customers authorized to fish under the vessel license are not required to hold a recreational saltwater fishing license.
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In other words if you get done, fill up and divide actual costs by the # of people you are good. If the owner says $150 flat rate and only puts $75 of gas per person and only paid 20 for ice then you're a charter.
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In other words if you get done, fill up and divide actual costs by the # of people you are good. If the owner says $150 flat rate and only puts $75 of gas per person and only paid 20 for ice then you're a charter.
I dunno, I think there is actual additional costs to owning a boat (bilge pump dies for example), etc. I would't do it, but I understand a smaller share by the owner.

I also won't argue with a guy who insists on paying $50.00 when my estimate for gas, ice and bait is $45.00.

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