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Old 06-08-2010, 06:45 PM   #21
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brnbser (08/06/2010)wow! pretty straight up confrontational especially toward a couple of our own.......had it been the govt or bp, I could see your skepticism but I sat and watched a video on abc last week of two guys offshore diving in hazmat suits and videoing a huge underwater plume, yes it was well sw of here but you can pretty much bet if it's there, it will be here........

go find the plume Ron and then reconsider your call out of Paul.

there are more people that I don't trust in this world than there are I do trust........Paul's one I do
Scott I haven't called anyone out or a lier I just want to see a picture of the oil. As for the cousteau in a hasmat suit I say the same thing Plankton I looked at that picture many times and it looked ex actually like what I dove through a couple weeks ago. When Cousteau came out did he have any oil on him hell no he was as clean as I was at 3 AM this morning after coming out of the water after swimming through a almost zero vis brownish media. If I did go find a plume I would photograph it and post it on here for everyone to see.
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Old 06-08-2010, 06:46 PM   #22
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Nice mess of fish, I just think everyone (most) are so full of the news and media, they are just confused (including me) as to what is REALLY going on in our GOM.

I mean, think about it, who can we believe? The media has us going on one direction, while another channel has us going in another. best info thus far is coming from the PFF and other local forums.

I just hope and pray this stupid thing gets turned off and we can get back to what we all do best.

have a good one.
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Old 06-08-2010, 07:18 PM   #23
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I don't think Ron was being confrontational at all, skeptical sure, but not confrontational.

If you read the original article, there was ALOT OF DRAMA in it. (sensationalized??)

Looking at the bottom machine picture, that "plume" looks about 1 ft thick.

Did the diver try to disperse it before swimming thru it? Isn't it risky to dive thru it?

No one's at fault here except for the drama queen who wrote the story.
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Old 06-08-2010, 08:09 PM   #24
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I am on no side in this.
If they say they saw oil, I'll take them at their word.
If someone else says they did not see oil, I'll take them at their word also.

But the cold hard fact is... with all the oil spewing into the Gulf every minute of each day..... <span style="text-decoration: underline;">it is there somewhere.
Whether we see it or not right now........ it is there.
One does not have to be a rocket scientist or oil field guru o figure that out.

Only so much will evaporate... the rest will either float or be dispersed somewhere in the water column.

And no sir, I am not a fatalist saying we are all doomed here on the Gulf.

BUT, the cold hard truth of that statement also is that I really do not know. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Do any of you really know????

Do any of you really know what the long term effects of this oil and all the chemical dispersant will really be on the Gulf????
<br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">I am not talking about "opinions" or emotional "answers", no matter which side of the fence they are on .
I am talking about the cold, hard, reality of what the affects will be...... <span style="font-weight: bold;">do any of you really know??????

Yeah, we can see the problems caused by the oil we can see.

What about that that we cannot see?

Does anybody out there really think that "out of sight, out of mind" means all is well in paradise?????

I sure don't, but then that again is just an opinion....... cause I really have no idea.

So, we can get on here all day long and call people liars, fatalists, non-liars non-fatalists....whatever, and throw e-punches at each other till we are tired........... and not accomplish one thing.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">The cold hard fact is that untold hundreds of thousands of gallons of crap have been spewing into the Gulf every day since around 22 April 2010. We can see the short term effect of some of it.

What about that which we can't see??????
It is out there somewhere.... it did not just magically all disappear.
It will show up somewhere..... sometime.

Do you know where or what affect is is having on the Gulf till it does????
I sure don't..........

We will just have to wait and see..........
My .02...........
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With BP spraying thousands of gallons of dispersant, how could there not be underwater oil plumes?!?!?!
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floridafisherman (08/06/2010)With BP spraying thousands of gallons of dispersant, how could there not be underwater oil plumes?!?!?!
Exactly...........
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Old 06-08-2010, 08:22 PM   #27
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first thing to keep in mind here when throwing out barbs and skepticism and where all your comments first where directed at is that it's the mullet wrapper article with all it's hype and glory to sell copies, it was not Paul or Sean's words. but you immediately jumped on it with the I don't believe it, no proof, no pics...... again, it was the pnj's sensationalized story, not the words of the person.

now that an individual has posted, it wasn't the oil covered birds version, it was a thin layer. sure pics would have been nice and maybe shut several of you up before your rants started.

my point in all this being, several of you lit in on individuals (that are forum members and capable of stating their own words on here) based on a copy and pasted article from the new urinal instead of anything they had actuallycome on here and said to us.......

I'm a see it for myself type of person also (headed to the beach myself tomorrow w/ my daughters) and would have preferred proof/pics too but don't blast a member based off media sensationalism, go to the source and get an answer or at least their version instead of believing our trustworthy media.......
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Old 06-08-2010, 09:31 PM   #28
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Sorry but those were direct quotes according to the article. Here is just one:

McLemore said. "I had oil on my face, on my ears, around my neck. It looked like I had a full suit on."

See the quotes there? If the PNJ misquoted he should have jumped on it and brought that to light and made them retract the article.

Devils Advocate ---It is odd that they had all of those pictures but none of oil on the diver. The sounder could very well be showing plankton resting on the thermocline. Fish infrenzy act intoxicated, while eating on shrimp and small fish that live in the plankton. That snapper with the leasion could have been caused from a spear traveling through its body.Etc, Etc. Everyone hasthere own opinions.

I do know that their is nothing wrong with what sealark ask. Just had an inquiring mind and it was a logical question. If your gonna put yourself in thenews cyclethen youshould expect some scrutiny...

BTW sealark is one of those old Navy Divers most can only read about. Look at the hardhat rig he's in on his picture, you can only see those in museums for christ sake (MK-V). They were still writing the diving rules back then based on real time incidents. Hell, he probably has more time in the water thanmost of you have on this earth. He deserves some respect when asking a question as well. Just my opinion...
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Old 06-08-2010, 10:02 PM   #29
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scrutiny i don't mind at all, and i have never had a problem with sealark...still don't. the quote that you are getting hung up on should have read i had it on my face etc, etc, AND MY SUIT. but who cares....because as you guy are saying, you haven't seen it so it aint there. as far as me saying "my last dive every" COME ON GUYS...YOU BELEIVE I AIN'T DIVING ANYMORE?????? next, yes i plowed a hole through the thicker stuff, no i didn't just go through without concern. none of the people making these comments have every dove with me, if you had you would know the level of experience i have in the water...that is in no way saying i have more experience than sealark or that i know more than jacques cousteau about things in the water. (this is the reason i have all but stopped posting on the forum too many people read too far into things.)

as far as the spot inside the fish, if you look at the snapper in the picture, it was hit in the top of the body (poor shot i know) and the spot is in the bellies. i would not have gone out of my way to contact uwf and others to analyze if it was from my speargun. i have killed more than my share of fish in the gulf of mexico...probly more than most peoples share in the last week. scrutiny i don't mind, if it actually made sense.

diving destin on thursday to try to find clean water...i hear its been clean at the oriskany, but pretty sure that federal waters are closed so i don't need to go there before anybodies panties get wadded up about the clean water comment.
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Old 06-08-2010, 10:50 PM   #30
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Hey Sean,

Did you notice the red areas in the other fish besides the snapper?

Just courious. Snapper will travel up the water column...more so than say grouper.
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