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Old 09-29-2009, 12:25 PM   #51
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Hell I'm all for the SOS plan aslong as they want to split the TAC 50/50, or maybe give the rec side 57% and they take our 43%...where do i sign up to fight for this cause capt eugene?
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Old 09-29-2009, 12:30 PM   #52
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Howdy,

I went to a scoping meeting last week regarding ACLs (Annual Catch Limits) and AMs (Accountability Measures).

Joe Hendrix, the Councilman who was conducting the meeting, pointed out after I read my statement that the MSA mandated that they put into place the ACLs and AMs by 2010 or 2011.

I pointed out to him that the MSA (Section 109-479) had mandated that the NMFS improve recreational data collection with a firm deadline of 8 months ago, <U>yet NMFS still has not complied with this mandate</U>. Until this mandate is fulfilled, there should be no movement towards ACLs or AMs with an artificial date of 2010 or 2011.

Congress knew that the current recreational data system was not able to provide the data necessary to use ACLs and AMs which is why they required a new data system one year prior to implementation of ACLs and AMs.

NMFS, however, is thumbing its nose at Congress and the rule of law in general by knowingly selecting NOT to comply with this Congressional mandate. In addition, its attempt to force the approval of ACLs and AMs without the mandated required data is illegal and contemptuous not only to Congress, but to the American People.

Looks like the NMFS is picking and choosing which parts of the Magnuson Stevens to comply with, and which parts they want to ignore - THEY need ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES of their own before they force them on the American fishermen.

Seems to me that we have a BIG problem here; NMFS is refusing to comply with the law to collect better data, yet is citing the SAME law to enact a program that cannot possibly work without said data. Nuts.

I also talked with a couple of guys who were pushing for separation of the rec TAC and IFQ's for the for-hire sector (SOS PLAN). One guy was a highliner (Keith "Buddy" Guindon) who claimed he had 130,000 pounds worth of IFQ's on the commercial TAC and someone asked him how much he would take to sell it all - he said he wouldn't take $3 million or even $10 million.

I asked him how much he paid for those IFQ's - the answer...ZERO.

The government gifted him a portion of a natural resource that we ALL own, but now it is in his "account". So now, of course, he and other guys like him are pushing to expand that concept into the recreational TAC.

Doesn't sound quite right, does it? IT'S NOT.

The government has "gifted" these commercial IFQ holders a portion of OUR public natural resource. Now, this guy who "owns" 130,000 pounds of IFQs can sit at home on his butt and "lease" his IFQ shares for about $300,000 to $400,000/year. CAN YOU SAY WELFARE PROGRAM FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T NEED IT?

Now, these same guys are pushing for sector separation for the same reasons- SELFISH GREED.

Just say NO! to sector separation.

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Old 09-29-2009, 12:32 PM   #53
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better yet...why don't we all get together and fight to have everything start back over from scratch? Commercial boys get 33%, Charter gets 33%, and Rec gets 33%?



The only problem is that alot of the charter boats commercial fish in the off season...what about you capt eugene? do you commercial snapper fish?
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Old 09-29-2009, 01:16 PM   #54
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Heres a good idea....why don't we start another thread with this list and urge people to stay away from these captains and vessels?
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Old 09-29-2009, 01:17 PM   #55
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Mr. Hilton.

thank you for posting and providing insight to the inner workings of NMFSwith respectto compliance with the Magnuson Stevens Act (MSA).

I take it from the tone of your email that NMFS is indeed moving toward accepting the SOS plan as proposed?

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Old 09-29-2009, 01:23 PM   #56
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[b]The only problem is that alot of the charter boats commercial fish in the off season...what about you capt eugene? do you commercial snapper fish?


No sir I do Not.





Thank you Mr.Hilton

I don't agree on some parts the main one is this.

I don't believe it is a totally natural resource if the fish need to have an artificial reef system to thrive.

ALL the Fish I catch come from man made reefs.
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go figure the govt wanting to control fish....hell they cant even control cash for clunkers, stimlus money, welfare, you name it...the talking heads throw numbers out there like they know what they are talking about...they must use the same theory as the weather man...just guess ...give me my fish and leave me the hell alone!
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Old 09-29-2009, 01:48 PM   #58
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[b]I don't believe it is a totally natural resource if the fish need to have an artificial reef system to thrive.
ALL the Fish I catch come from man made reefs.
Eugene ,

haven't heard that one before. that is an interesting argument. Not that it would ever happen but personally,I would love it if the government would allow me soleaccessto the fish on the chicken coopsfriends and I put out in the past years.

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Old 09-29-2009, 01:58 PM   #59
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Hey Mark



Well I would have to go back to Quote by I have said it I am sure maybe not the same way but off of Alabama we depend on them you want to talk about covered up Man Howdy We have trouble Catching anything else off of Fort morgan.


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Eugene

I know you contribute to the red snapper population by placing your own reefs.Additionally, the State of Alabama has the finest artificial reef building program in the US if not the world.

Do you think it would be fairif Alabamaprivate citizens usingtheir own boats, were not allowed a season tokeep a limit of red snappercaught onthe artificial reefsthat the State of Alabama placedusing alabama taxpayer money?

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