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Old 09-28-2009, 08:52 PM   #41
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Brent you sure judge allot for someone with the psalms on your signature.

Go sleep it off read the whole post tomorrow nothing i have said is false unless you take it out of context.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:59 PM   #42
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capt.eugene (9/28/2009)Brent you sure judge allot for someone with the psalms on your signature.
Go sleep it off read the whole post tomorrow nothing i have said is false unless you take it out of context.
First of all, my name is not Brent...and second of all I'm not allowed to be Christian and disagree with you? That makes about as much sense as the SoS plan. If anybody from your side ever wanted to have a legitimate discussion about the issue then there are plenty of us that would be more than willing to have it, but you and yours have shown that you are 100% not willing. You are looking out for #1. I dont necessarily blame you for that, but that doesn't mean that I have to like it. I just call it like I see it.
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:08 PM   #43
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WOW!



Now if we could only drag in some of the NMFS people, this could get interesting... Anyone else ever notice how they don't give out their emails??? Or call you back when you want to voice your concerns?? I wonder....

What would happen if we were to find out where old Crabtree himself lives and picket his front yard for a few weeks? Let all the neighbors know how incompetant he is at his job? Let it get really personal in the same way as his decisions have had personal consequences to all the people in the fishing industry.

Just a thought, anyway. Doesn't seem as though rational communication is getting the job done here.....
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:13 PM   #44
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First of all, my name is not Brent...and second of all I'm not allowed to be Christian and disagree with you? That makes about as much sense as the SoS plan. If anybody from your side ever wanted to have a legitimate discussion about the issue then there are plenty of us that would be more than willing to have it, but you and yours have shown that you are 100% not willing. You are looking out for #1. I dont necessarily blame you for that, but that doesn't mean that I have to like it. I just call it like I see it



You can disagree all you want don't call me a drunk I have not had a drink sense saturday night only had three then.

Not willing to what Talk I will talk all you want been doing it all day till you showed up started being judge joe brown.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:28 PM   #45
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1bandit (9/28/2009)How is this for a plan?

The natural resources belong to the people of Alabama or in this case the state.

All the allotment of snapper is sold by the state through some sort of non reusable tags.

The free market will set the price and the tags can be sold as a commodity

The commercial guys will have to pass the cost on to their customers.

Charter captains can buy them and add the price to charters or make people buy their own.

The state makes money and when the tags are used up the quota is met.
There is a move out there to go down that road and it terrifies me.

Just for arguement's sake, the following is why it scares me:

The commercial sector has all the money and buys all the tags.

What do we (the rec sector) get to fish for? Nothing.

What does either side do when the Pew Foundation buys them all up and wont sell them to "protect the environment?" Nothing.
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Old 09-29-2009, 09:20 AM   #46
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Just for clarification on what the actual sector allocations would be with the SOS plan in place, in reviewing old posts found the below. Looks like private boat owners would get 950,000 pounds of the red snapper allocation based on the FY 2009 red snapper TAC.

http://www.fishthebridge.com/fishingforum/Topic273008-2-1.aspx?Highlight=sos+plan

<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"Under theSOS the TAC gets divied up three ways: 51% commerical, 30% for-hire and 19% private recreational. That's 2.5 million commercial, 1.5 million pounds for charter boats and 950,000 for the millions of recreational red snapper from <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on">Brownsville</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Texas</st1:State> to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">key West</st1lace></st1:City>.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Average weight of red snapper used in the federal math is like 4 pounds. At that weight, that's 237,500 fish. <o></o>

<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">We have 20,000 licensed saltwater anglers in <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Escambia</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType> alone and about 50 counties in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Florida</st1lace></st1:State> from here to the Keys. Thrown in <st1:State w:st="on">Ala</st1:State>, <st1:State w:st="on">Miss.</st1:State>, <st1:State w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">La.</st1lace></st1:State> and the Lone Star state and it's a less than one fish per licensed angler."

<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mark W<o></o>
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:55 AM   #47
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Good morning MarkW



I believe Those are the Joe Z version of the calculations

Attached is the white paper for sos Page 9 has the numbers you ask for.

We ask for 2000-2006 I believe it is more fare than the joez verison.



2000-2006

17,065,969 For-hire

13,088,673 Private



% private lbs. @ current TAC

43% 1,053,500



% [email protected] current Tac

57%1,396,500





http://www.orangebeachfishingforum.c...hment6595.aspx




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Old 09-29-2009, 11:46 AM   #48
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Oooooooooooh,

You're going ot get NMFS to go back to the old TAC?

Good luck with that.

Why not just keep the sectors together as they always have been and work together to get better data?
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Old 09-29-2009, 12:07 PM   #49
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Eugene

thanks for the clarification on the TAC allocation under SOS.

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Old 09-29-2009, 12:17 PM   #50
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bluffman2 (9/28/2009)wats all da fuss bout.............i herd their isnt know snaperr left,d :doh
hell im with bluffman.. apparently there are NO snapper left in our waters
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