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Old 09-30-2009, 11:03 AM   #91
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Capt. Wes,

I believe what you described is happening all the time. One thing I have not seen is that Capt. Jarvis is on both sides of the coin. He is both a charter captain and holds commercial liscense for red snapper as well as tuna (although tuna is not in this argument). Seems like a conflict of interest to me?
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:18 AM   #92
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Good morn Mark



I agree on all but this I believe Once the numbers are in NMFS will have to eat crow and back off.



Artificial Reefs:over twenty thousand since permits started in Al alone add in just 5000lb per Reef 100,000,000 lb fish



Oil rigs:Almost 4000add just 5000 lb per Rig=20,000,000 lb fish



That Is One hundred twenty million lb fish together



RIGS & ARTIFICIAL REEFS ARE NOT COUNTED IN STOCK ASSESSMENT



I think Most forget the total allowable catch [tac] is measured in pounds [hence average weight for catch data}throw in the average number of fish caught,without the numbers above and we have flawed data.



People can Pick apart the sos all they want still does not change the facts about flawed data WE BROUGHT OUT A PROACTIVE PLAN. SOME DON'T LIKE. THAT IS LIFE THE PEOPLE OF THE SOS ARE NOT THE GREED EATEN PEOPLE some try to make use out to be.:banghead
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:31 AM   #93
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Good morn Mark



I agree on all but this I believe Once the numbers are in NMFS will have to eat crow and back off.



Artificial Reefsver twenty thousand since permits started in Al alone add in just 5000lb per Reef 100,000,000 fish



Oil rigs:Almost 4000add just 5000lb per Rig=20,000,000 fish



That Is One hundred twenty million fish togetherAdd the weight.



120,000,000 X average of 2lb=240,000,000 million pounds



If the average weight is 10lb=120,000,000,000 Billion pounds



I think Most forget the total allowable catch [tac] is measured in pounds [hence average weight for catch data}throw in the average number of fish caught,without the numbers above and we have flawed data.








I think your numbers are all screwed up...let me help





20,000 reefs X 5000lbs per reef=100,000,000 lbs on those reef/an average of 2lbs per fish=50,000,000 fish or 100,000,000lbs on those reefs/an average of 10lbs per fish=10,000,000 fish



4000 Reefs X 5000lbs per reef=20,000,000 lbs on those reefs/an average of 2lbs per reef=10,000,000fish or 20,000,000 lbs on those reefs/an average of 10lbs per fish=2,000,000 fish



at 2lbs theres 60,000,000 fish

at 10lbs theres 12,000,000 fish
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:42 AM   #94
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Capt Wes, if you know of someone using their commercial permits illegally report them. If you don't want to be identified I'm sure you can call anonymously. Who would jeopardize their commercial license or snapper shares? One snapper share (1 lb) is presently worth $20 and going up. A good investment. You need to review the IFQ program. One requirement: the commercial Capt must inform the law whenheisreturning from a tripsoFWC or thefedscan meet the boat. If a charter/commercial Capt has been stupid enough to defy the law he has already been fined, permits revoked and/or probably in jail. Wes, the waters are muddy enough. Someone withyour knowledge and reputation must provide positive, informed leadership in the discussion; not more "mud" in the water. Effective management will benefit everyone.The SOS plan is a goodeffort by charter toaccomplish this goal for their sector.
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:48 AM   #95
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Eugene

no doubt red snapper are all over the nothern gulf.Much better population now than in the 1980's in my opinion.

when will the snapper catch numbers be finalized?

It will be interesting to see what happens when catch numbers are finalized. With the catch numbers from this year, will NMFs shorten the season even more becausethe NMFS red snapper population countis based onestimates taken from natural reef and the fish caught during the year werebigger on average this year?

Will NMFS science expand their snapper population count to include artifical reefs?

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Old 09-30-2009, 11:59 AM   #96
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lbhuntley (9/30/2009)The SOS plan is a goodeffort by charter toaccomplish this goal for their sector.
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IknewI could count on you to show up here eventually. One problem the charterindustry doesn't have it's own sector or maybe you were speaking of the recreational sector as a whole?

either way you look at it- the SoS plan is a business plan that is designedright in the sweet spot of NMFS's bat. NMFSwants to count fish and SoS would allow that for those charters that can make it-the the rest ofus recreational fisherman of course are inconsequential and don't matter.

What about me LB i want to fish and keep snapper to?

I feel like as a veteran ofgulf war 1 and gulf war redux and after 21 years of military service I earned the right to catchthe fish I want to keep andeat it. Now the last sentence is just crazy talk, but what about me LB?

I want to fish on my own boatand catch and eat red snapperat least for6 months of the year with a minimum 4 fish limit. what can you do for me and the rest of the private boat owning rec fisherman who want to do the same?

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Old 09-30-2009, 02:55 PM   #97
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Markw, thank you for your sacrifices and serviceto our country.

Mark,you hit on theproblem. All of the misinformation has recreational (non charter)believing they will be left out as management improves. That's certainly no ones agenda that I'm awareof. The concepts of IFQ and SoS are simply efforts to better manage our resources. Recreational would get their fair share based on historical catches. In fact, I believe recreational would receive more than their fair share and that's ok with me, but compromise isessential. If recreational (non charter) managed their own quota the season could be year round andbag limitscould be increased as management improves, the fishbecome sustainable and stocks increase. No one is trying to take anything from anyone. Our collective interest must be to improve management, responsibly increase the TAC, and everyone benefits. We are on the same side.
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Old 09-30-2009, 03:01 PM   #98
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Right -on lb



Nobody will be left-out :usaflag
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Old 09-30-2009, 07:58 PM   #99
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lbhuntley...do you think the captain is going to tell the FWC officer his crew is really a charter...lmao.



lbhuntley you keep catching your well earned red snapper and selling them. eventually the BIG BOYS will take yours away too...you have no power and no financial backing. You are their little puppet right now and when they have the control you will be out.



When it happens do not coming running to the recreational sector for help. You have cut your ties with us.



As far as my statement you either believe it or not. The only muddy waters are the ones you seem to want to swim...soon very soon they will clear and you will be the one who is crying for help.



tight lines and great fishing adventures!
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Old 09-30-2009, 09:23 PM   #100
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Hey quite fighting among ourselfs,

Join forces and fight the common adversary- Commercial Fishing - if the Commercial limit is cut in half of what it currently has, what will happen?...The price of wholesaleRS will rise (supply and demand)so that theprofit can be maintained by the Commercial Fishing Sector/Wholesalers. If their overall profit is maintained by the market then they should be able to maintain their lifestyle with less work.

Yes I know that this very, very over simplified. But if the Charter/Rec fishers do not come to an accord then the Commercial Sector will eat us both and RS will just be the first fish on the table. JMHO
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