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Message to KIM about oil

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#1 ·
I see that this member KIM has a comment about everyones posts about oil in our bays, under sand, and such.... Well many people are posting about what they have seen, oil under sand, film getting on them at Sand island,... and others.
KIM tells us to provide proof, when we know what we have seen... well KIM, prove us wrong. I have worked for BP in a couple different areas and doing a couple different jobs.. and I can tell you that there IS oil under the sand. I have seen workers uncovering it.... And I know that they have been bringing in sand ... If you want proof, go right inside the pass where the base is.... and put a sand flea rake through the sand maybe into the water about 3 feet from shore or more... and watch the many tar balls you will get.... then call everyone a liar... Instead of being a Troll on the comments others share with us.... And no I am not a mad worker laid off, I was working as safety and on boats, so I got my money and am thankful for it, although pissed about our backyard... which still has oil in it....on it... and under it.
 
#69 ·
kim a constant on all your posts is "contact the proper authority" im sure the "proper authority" will get right on that once you call them. they have done such a good job up till now. would this be the same "proper authority" that let this happen in the first place? once again you have shown just how naive you are. these "proper authorities" are the same bunch that have concocted your twisted science. by the way i have a real nice place ill sell ya in warrington, the "proper authorities" have said it will triple in value in a few short months, so you know you can believe it.

it seems you cant figure out if you should hug a tree or some hydrocarbon.

by the way has anyone been seeing any turtles? i havent seen any on several trips out, but if 20 people come back on here and say they have been seeing plenty then maybe its just me. hope so.
 
#70 ·
yea what was i thinking. You cant loose a roof to downed trees or even limbs, or not even missing shingles or flooding unless there is 100+ winds huh,.. righhhhhht. So know not only are some of you oil experts, youre weather and building experts too. :rolleyes:
 
#71 ·
ooil on beaches

Well Im not a pissed off x employee either, I have made my money and have moved on, BUT, as a superintendent on the Johnson Beach clean up efforts I CAN TELL YOU THIS --- there are 1000's of pounds of oil still under thesand my last 4 days on the beach prior to BP pulling the plug I had 50 people( ALL LOCALS) working on the east end of the national park and in those 4 days we pulled 10,338 pounds of oil off of OUR BEACHES. My biggest complaint in this whole situation is that the local people are getting screwd by the out off town companies taking advantage of this situation. I know for fact that BP is still paying the same amount per person, per skill level as they were the company I was working for but these companies from god knows where are raping the local workers that they hire. if you havent worked on the beaches then dont complain about the wages, I can tell you this much YOU EARN WHAT YOU MAKE doing the cleanup it aint as easy as you might think it is. AND YES THERE IS TONS OF OIL LEFT ON THE BEACHES THAT WE NEED TO GET CLEANED UP REGARDLESS. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE PHOTOS AND INFO I HAVE LET ME KNOW.
 
#72 ·
Obviously it must mean something or you wouldn't have posted about it. However as an ex-employee you seem a little disgruntled about it. Getting back to the oil situation, what have you done with your first hand knowledge and documentation of the oil under the sand? Have you contacted BP or the state EPA office with your proof or is this post the extent of your trying to find resolution to a problem?
 
#74 ·
Obviously it must mean something or you wouldn't have posted about it. However as an ex-employee you seem a little disgruntled about it. Getting back to the oil situation, what have you done with your first hand knowledge and documentation of the oil under the sand? Have you contacted BP or the state EPA office with your proof or is this post the extent of your trying to find resolution to a problem?
Are you really that ignorant and naive?? he worked for bp so they know it is there....and by the looks of it they arent going to do anything about it....my offer still stands....i will come pick you up take you to the beach and show the oil to you...then how about YOU call all the "officals" and let us all know how well that works out for you
 
#76 ·
There can not be an oil arouind. I saw workers the other day taking samples of the sand. True the samples were 5 feet above high tide and 10 yards from the water's edge and only sampled the top inch or so..... But still the sand was clean. There were also lots of "clean up" crew personnel still there enjoying the sun. Hard to say they were resting from the hot work since it was one of our cooler days and they didn't leave the shade in 2 1/2 hours. I assume there were people who actually worked hard during the clean up, I just didn't see any. Time to let this die a death. Those who readily admit " they made thier money and moved on" may have a motive for keep bring it up. Guess I agree with Kim. If you feel strongly, tell your local goverment rep.
 
#77 ·
There can not be an oil arouind. I saw workers the other day taking samples of the sand. True the samples were 5 feet above high tide and 10 yards from the water's edge and only sampled the top inch or so..... But still the sand was clean. There were also lots of "clean up" crew personnel still there enjoying the sun. Hard to say they were resting from the hot work since it was one of our cooler days and they didn't leave the shade in 2 1/2 hours. I assume there were people who actually worked hard during the clean up, I just didn't see any. Time to let this die a death. Those who readily admit " they made thier money and moved on" may have a motive for keep bring it up. Guess I agree with Kim. If you feel strongly, tell your local goverment rep.
once again what good is it going to do? the govt isnt in charge of the cleanup... BP is...if they even get close to being involved in the cleanup it will take years and years of bills, special meetings, thousands of engineers, EPA, DEP, all getting involved to come up with a SWAG (Scientific Wild Ass Guess) plan to try and figure out how to get it out of the sand....then they will wanna do a multi million dollar "beach renourishment" which will more than likely have oil in that sand...so its just a big circle that is gonna keep happening :thumbdown:
 
#79 ·
A: Those are nests they counted. Re-read it. Not eggs or baby turtles. Turtles will continue to lay nests. No question there. What happens when the eggs incubate in oiled sand? I wouldn't think that would be good for the egg membranes. Call me proactive, i also tend to err on the safe side. What i mean is WHY NOT JUST CLEAN UP THE G&^ D%$$ OIL? Sealark, you don't strike me as a sweep it under the rug kinda guy.. Maybe you are?

B: The nest counts were statewide including the entire coastline of FL (Atlantic included).

C: Wait for it..................My kid likes to dig in that sand. I say clean it up.
 
#80 ·
Sweep under the rug , Never I am just looking at the facts and what effect the oil actually has had on things. I would think the sea turtles and any air breathing animal would be the most effected by the oil spill. Mostly in the early days from breathing in the oil when they surfaced to breathe. As for the eggs and baby turtles I think they have been crawling through and been exposed to buried oil for millions of years. Not as much as has washed up after this spill. The damage I believe would have to be to the mother turtles before they lay the eggs from chemicals absorbed into them from the surface while inhaling air. Now the baby's will just get some harmless tar on them that has been around for ever and go merrily on there way. I don't think the tar balls have caused any damage in the past to the turtles why would it now.:thumbup::thumbup:
 
#85 ·
I don't think that "naturally occurring" tar balls from seepage would be harmful, since as you pointed out, they have been exposed to this for "millions of years". However, the tar balls and buried oil on the beaches now have a chemical dispersant mixed in with it...and that has not been around for millions of years...just saying...how can you be so sure that any exposure now won't be harmful???? I am not trying to "stir the pot"...it is just a question I have.
 
#84 ·
As a Matter of fact I did call it in and reported it to both BP Command Center and left a message with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection, as it was after working hours. BP told me that since it was a rainbow sheen on the water there was nothing to be done but let it decompose naturally since there was nothing that could be cleaned up. They did ask for approximate co-ordinates for where I saw it for their purposes of tracking.
 
#86 ·
As a Matter of fact I did call it in and reported it to both BP Command Center and left a message with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection, as it was after working hours. BP told me that since it was a rainbow sheen on the water there was nothing to be done but let it decompose naturally since there was nothing that could be cleaned up. They did ask for approximate co-ordinates for where I saw it for their purposes of tracking.
Where did you send the sample?
 
#95 ·
Your right Kim, Theres no more oil.:rolleyes: We need to just relax. BP's going to fix everything!:thumbsup::whistling: I see every day workers taking what I thought was oil from Nas. Must be old june grass or something else. Defenately not oil. But to this day I cant understand why it says "OIL ONLY" on the damn dumpster? 1 says PPE only which I think means Personel protective equiptment. The other says Regular stuff . 1 says, "OIL ONLY"! Of coarse all going to the dump.:nuke: Some on here want nothing said about the oil. :shifty: Sorry, I'll speak the truth. Oh yeah, they change the oil dumpster out the most of all three.:001_huh:
 
#96 · (Edited)
actually, no its not. Im friends/business buds with several doctors that would be glad to explain to you how the ACTUAL text book mean human life expectancy is 105-115 years old. However because of outside influences, both self inflicted or voluntary (smoking, drinking, poor exercise/diet, etc (100's more), and involuntary, (poor air quality, water quality, food additives(unless you have your own 100% self sufficient farm, of course,(100's more)), this life expectancy is reduced to the current 77-81 years... its much more in depth that, i was just giving you the super abbreviated version. I assure you, this logic is far from 'thin'. Its actually pretty thick. Do some research.
And all that aside, I dont see what you mean when you say "before we let BP off the hook". As if "we" have or ever had a say in it to start with. BP will tell US when they are done, and thats how it will be. "Sad but true" -lars ulrich :(
 
#97 · (Edited)
You are misquoting me. I never spoke of life expectancy. As far as air quality goes. http://www.stateoftheair.org/2010/states/florida/escambia-12033.html


What do doctors know about air quality? A GI doc know bubkis about podiatry. Why should i trust his opinion of air quality? Had a 10 year old die of pneumonia not long ago that went through the hospital a week prior. Doctors used to think smoking was good for you.

When i say "let bp off the hook" I mean when they see oil on the beach. I want them to clean it up as opposed to covering it up. Simple idea really. Oh and I took a shot at YOUR logic, not science.

All that aside we agree that BP is done when they say they are.. You are correct sad but true.
 
#99 ·
That is the key phrase here," BP is cleaning up the oil found in certain areas" ,in other areas that BP has discovered their oil, they are either ignoring it, covering it up,or spraying it with the pesticide/dispersant/neurotoxin called Corexit, nasty stuff. The oil than becomes slightly heavier than water, sinks below the surface and BP makes the declaration that 75% of the oil has magically disapeared.
 
#101 ·
I think that in the long run it will all work out. Some people are taking the time and effort to report oil residue and it has to work it's way through the system. They are cleaning up in places that they weren't before so action is being taken. Nobody will know what the absolutes are until the government and BP both say that the clean up efforts are complete. Until that time it's just guessing on all of our parts. If it don't get reported, it won't get into the system and it won't get cleaned up is how I see it.
 
#102 ·
cleanup

Although as helpful as it might sound.......REPORT THE OIL......REPORT THE OIL, who listens.BP first and foremost has to get their head into the sand and under the water in order to find it's wayward oil. An effort they have been very reluctant to take, if they can't see it, therefore it doesn't exist, it's like trying to cap the well, they didn't know how and others had to show them. Recovering oil under the surface will be just as difficult and they haven't a damn clue on how to do it.We have to be vigilant and keep reporting what we see and hope they choose not to keep ignoring what we are finding. For those of you who have worked on the beach during the cleanup effort or in any other capacity, i.e. VOO, P2S, etc. A lot of it was hot and nasty work with long hours, some of you have known what frustration means in having to deal with the turtles, EPA, OSHA, BP officials, Federal and local Govt. a big pain in the ass. I applaud you all. And yes nature will eventually take its course and cleanse it self, but in the meantime keep reporting those UFO'S (unidentified floating oil)
 
#103 ·
I was working the spill in Biloxi. We ran out several miles to some barrier islands and came upon some dispersed crude. Our boom and pads couldn't soak it up before it started sinking. Just before we spotted it, there were several planes flying over and dumping something. We could only guess that it was dispersants. Several members of our task force were told we couldn't venture out that far, for no said reason. I honestly think there has been WAY more dispersant use WAY closer to our beaches than anyone has even thought. They're not going to clean up the oil that they can't see. There's no telling how much of it is sitting on the bottom of our beaches and fisheries. I've heard reports of people dropping absorbent boom with weights near the pass to absorb the sunken oil. Where is it going? How is it going to affect our fish? I hope they will conduct ongoing studies of our bays and waterways to answer this. I for one don't want to catch contaminated fish and feed them to my family.
 
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