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Old 10-23-2009, 11:51 AM   #11
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Does anyone have any direct input to Chris Couture or the moderators to make a recommendation that the forum have a "Conservation Section" or a "Save Your Recreational Fishing Rights Section"where all our semipolitical oropenly political discussions on fishing regulations could be contained rather than inthe general discussion section of the forum?

I am seeing a lot of questions from recreational anglers and spearfisherman who own their own boats andthey like me would probably benefit from a forum section thatgave them easy one stop access to read and learn about organizations that are working for recreational fishing rights and the various in's and out's of policy making concerning the gulf fishery..?

IknowPFF hasa lot of membersthat are commercial and or charter boat operators therefore views on gulf fishing regulations vary widely...May not be a good idea?

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It's going on all across the nation. And our lawmakers need to stand up and be proactive, not reactive. Maybe finally it's pissing enough people off to get something done.

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<A name=maincontent></A>Published: <SPAN class=date>October 13, 2009 03:59 am

<P class=storyheadline>Senator's challenge to NOAA science cries out for answers <DIV id=storybody><P class=text1>Maine U.S. Sen. Olympia Snowe deserves credit for her challenge last week to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration chief Jane Lubchenco regarding the absurd pending catch limits on New England's herring fishing industry.<P class=textEditorials>Indeed, Snowe's letter to Lubchenco, citing the "woefully" outdated scientific data used to justify a 40 percent cut in the allowable herring catch, has touched on the rhetorical "gorilla in the room" for all of the debate surrounding NOAA's and its National Marine Fisheries Service regulatory schemes. That's the fact that, for all of the heavy-handed enforcement, all the tight-fisted regulatory tactics and all of the unjust, unilateral mandates imposed on Gloucester's, New England's and America's fishermen, there is a single glaring problem at the root of all others:<P class=textEditorials>The admissions among scientists that science and data used as a basis for all of these regulations just can't be trusted as a basis for anything ? let alone to effectively deny American fishermen the chance to make a living. That's an issue on which all of our legislative leaders ? from U.S. Sen. John Kerry and appointed Sen. Paul Kirk, to Congressman John Tierney and local state lawmakers Bruce Tarr and Ann-Margaret Ferrante ? must demand accountability and correction before NOAA and NMFS take any more economic bites out of this time-honored industry.<P class=textEditorials>In the herring case, Snowe is demanding that Lubchenco authorize a new benchmark assessment of the herring stock to reduce the uncertainty that scientists acknowledge sits behind a dramatic cut in future herring catches. While herring is not overfished or even viewed as subject to overfishing, the New England Fishery Management Council's Science and Statistical Committee has identified a "retrospective pattern" in runs of a computer profile model. So, erring on the side of caution, the committee has decided to advise reducing the maximum catch next year from 145,000 metric tons to 90,000 metric tons.<P class=textEditorials>How reliable are those figures? The committee's own "degree of unreliability" in the pattern is considered to be up to 37 percent? Yet, the panel is recommending a cut that, beyond the herring fishery, would also decimate New England's lobster harvest, given that herring are an important form of lobster bait.<P class=textEditorials>The herring guesstimate is the latest of many instances of questionable "science" being used to drive down the fishermen's catch and "consolidate" the industry. The "total allowable catch" figures issued by NMFS under the planned new catch-share system would also allow fishermen to land less than 4 metric tons of pollock, compared to more than 11 metric tons landed in 2008. The justification is there are questions as to the stock's sustainability ? yet even NOAA research biologist Paul Rago in Woods Hole concedes pollock "are a notoriously difficult stock to assess." <SPAN class=storysplitter><P class=textEditorials>Now comes the word that the New England Fishery Management Council's Scientific and Statistical Committee erred in calculating the proposed total catch reduction in skates. The mistake came through plugging an "0" into an equation where a line should have been left blank. The data entry error apparently brought an unjustified cut of 6,817 metric tons of skate off the acceptable biological catch recommendation for the 2010-11 fishing season.<P class=textEditorials>That foul-up has at least been rectified. But despite NMFS' own admission that many landings records used as a basis for several fishermen's catch shares under the new sector system are incorrect, the agency also claims it just doesn't have the expertise to fix it in time for the 2010 fishing season. So, in NMFS' view, that means fishermen will just have to accept it and make the best of it. <P class=textEditorials>Baloney. The time has long past when fishermen can take NOAA or NMFS science on faith, And it's time our lawmakers followed Snowe's lead and insisted there be no more regulatory cutbacks based on science that even scientists believe is not fully credible. <P class=textEditorials>Enough is enough ? and NOAA's shaky science has already driven far too many small business fishing boats out of the water.</DIV>
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Old 10-23-2009, 12:19 PM   #13
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Jon you are reading it right. They are planning on the recreational catch limits to exceed the allowable limit in 2010 and 2011.</DIV></DIV>As Jim Donofrio executive director of RFA stated in the video I posted change has got to be in the way they manage recreational fishing. They account for our fish in the amount of lbs and it should be in the amount of fish caught not lbs. Every year we go up in a 1/2 in. to 1 in. a fish. We are catching more poundage but LESS FISH. So over fishing occurs because we are catching more poundage not fish. So automatically we are being punished by the system that is trying to create conservation.</DIV></DIV>So in a nutshell the more closure the bigger the fish get so based on lbs and not fish we are screwed if change is not made.</DIV>
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:48 PM   #14
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I emailed the RFA and FRA and asked them some questions. The FRA has emailed me back already so I thought I would share. I also invited Mr. O'Hern to the forum. I hope that is ok with with you guys. <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> FRA Denny &lt;<SPAN style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed; CURSOR: hand" id=lw_1256319642_9 class=yshortcuts>[email protected]&gt;
<SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: Craig Wyse &lt;[email protected]&gt;
<SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: <SPAN style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed; CURSOR: hand" id=lw_1256319642_10 class=yshortcuts>Fri, October 23, 2009 12:03:14 PM
<SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: The Fishing Rights Alliance needs YOU!


<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Craig-<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks for contacting us. While we are based in <SPAN id=lw_1256319642_11 class=yshortcuts>Florida , we address regional and national issues.<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">We focus on the offshore angler but take up the fight for basic rights when those fights present themselves.<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">We work with many other organizations and have the support of the Florida Guides Association, several dozen major fishing groups, the Recreational Fishing Alliance and even commercial groups when the need for defending common ground arises. <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">We are approaching 2000 paid members, with another roughly 5000 unpaid e-members that receive our e-news and calls to action. Those unpaid are converting to paid memberships at a rapid pace over the last week. Our goal is to expand to 15,000 members by <SPAN style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed; CURSOR: hand" id=lw_1256319642_12 class=yshortcuts>9/12/2010. Watch for the new FRA website. It is about two weeks away from going live.<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The FRA cares about the health of the <SPAN id=lw_1256319642_13 class=yshortcuts>fish stocks. We participate in the stock assessments and even do research for the government scientists. We are dedicated to finding solutions to existing problems and pointing out the ?manufactured crises? that needlessly cost us our right to access a healthy resource. <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">FRA set a legal precedent in our first lawsuit and now has two active lawsuits against the <SPAN style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed; CURSOR: hand" id=lw_1256319642_14 class=yshortcuts>National Marine Fisheries Service due to their violating the Magnuson Stevens Reauthorization Act (MSRA). <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">There is a terrible agenda being advanced that threatens all fishing activity. We counter that agenda at every turn.<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Please join us. <SPAN id=lw_1256319642_15 class=yshortcuts>www.thefra.org/joinfra.htm We would love to have you on board. YOU can make a difference.<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks again for contacting us. Please feel free to contact me with any questions.<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sincerely,<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Brush Script MT'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 24pt">Dennis O'Hern<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Executive Director<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Fishing Rights Alliance, Inc.<SPAN style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed; CURSOR: hand" id=lw_1256319642_16 class=yshortcuts><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">4604 49th Street N #34<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: navy"><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">St. Petersburg<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: navy">, FL 33709<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">PH 727.692.6902<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">FX 727.528.6460<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">www.thefra.org</DIV><DIV style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" class=MsoNormal align=center><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><HR tabIndex=-1 align=center SIZE=2 width="100%"></DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Craig Wyse [mailto:[email protected]]
<SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: <SPAN style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed; CURSOR: hand" id=lw_1256319642_17 class=yshortcuts>Friday, October 23, 2009 12:07 PM
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<SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dear Membership Director, </DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am a recreational fisherman from <SPAN id=lw_1256313550_0><SPAN id=lw_1256319642_18 class=yshortcuts><SPAN class=yshortcuts>Pensacola<SPAN class=yshortcuts>, FL and I am interested in joining the fight to save the pastime that I love. After looking around on the internet I have found that there are several associations for recreational fisherman. So I am writing to you hoping to gain some more insight about theFRA to help me determine which group to join. </DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">From what I see the FRA is located in FL. Does the FRA have interest and concern itself with recreational fishing in all parts of the country?</DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Does theFRA work with other recreational fishing organizations to accomplish the common goal?</DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">How many members does theFRA have?</DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In closing I would like to thank you for taking the time to read this and hopefully respond. I would also like to thank you for taking on the challenge to save recreational fishing. I look forward to hearing from you. </DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Respectfully, </DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Craig Wyse</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:06 PM   #15
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OOPS I didn't realize Denny from the FRA was already a member here. I guess I should reintroduce myself to the search button. :banghead
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:29 PM   #16
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listen fellows i am a recreational fisherman. i might be a landlocked one!but as i read what you guys where discussing it made me realize that even though i am landlocked i can do my part in this as well thank you for the insight

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