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Old 11-21-2009, 11:53 PM   #61
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Who wants you Banned WHO not me or any one I know.



Angus YOU AND ALLOT OF OTHERS ARE LOST IN RHETORIC self made RHETORIC.



THE GOVERNMENT SUCKS at MANAGEMENT AND NEEDS HELP BUT THEY ARE THE LAW.



We want all people to fish that want to fish but there needs to be a change in the way management is done NOT RUN PEOPLE OFF THE WATER SOS may not be the way but the people behind it Don't hate.



now refer to the first sentence of my signature.


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Old 11-22-2009, 12:03 AM   #62
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I am not saying you are personally pushing for closure, but by taking 51% of TAC, it makes the rec fishermen have to scratch around for scraps. I am saying that a Natural Resource should NEVER be sold to the highest bidder.

Either no snapper season or 1 fish per person for 30 days. I am not cranking up my boat and driving to the pass for 1 fish. Not going to happen!

I say that if I have to do without red snapper, then let EVERYONE ELSE BEAR THE SAME BURDEN! Close the season for 1 year or 2 years. The real sense of injustice is stemming from the fact that it is "business as usual" on the commercial boats.

How does it make ANY sense to allow commercial guys a chance to go out and catch snapper till the freeboard is dipping in the waves, but the local people can choose to catch 1 fish a day?????
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Old 11-22-2009, 12:08 AM   #63
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[quote]angus_cow_doctor (11/21/2009)I am not saying you are personally pushing for closure, but by taking 51% of TAC, it makes the rec fishermen have to scratch around for scraps. I am saying that a Natural Resource should NEVER be sold to the highest bidder.



Please do not support any of the captains or vessels on the list below. They support the SOS plan and intend to lie to you and steal from you so that they can stay fat and happy. http://saveoursector.com/supporters/...ters_full.aspx If you agree with the above, please copy and paste this as your signature as well. /quote]



Your not good man contrair/contrair read your signature then read mine
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Old 11-22-2009, 12:09 AM   #64
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Ok, here are some FACTS:

Commercial fishermen SELL their catch.

Commercial fishermen can keep 13 inch snapper. 16 inches for rec fishermen.

Commercial fishermen can fish YEAR AROUND, not just in the middle of july in the heat.

Commercial fishermen can catch as many snapper as they want to, up to their TAC.

Commercial fishermen will likely NOT be affected by the upcoming regulations. Business as usual.

Draw your own conclusions. I say it is a legitimate foul. A natural resource on the auction block.
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Old 11-22-2009, 12:12 AM   #65
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The Fact you miss is the fact that they are Accountable, and I want to be, And you and all rec's need to be Accountable.
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Old 11-22-2009, 12:19 AM   #66
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Let me get this straight.

Since we apparently suck at fish counting, there will be no fish for us unless we buy them from people good at counting fish.

So what I really need is an electronic fish counter......:takephoto

By that logic, there should be thousands of recreational fishermen written up by FWC for being over the bag limit every day of the season.
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Old 11-22-2009, 12:26 AM   #67
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angus I know this the data is bad one way or another Bad fish count, bad people count,bad denominators when averaging. business as usual has got us here, not new plans they are not in play.
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Old 11-22-2009, 12:42 AM   #68
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LBHUNTLEY...who says it is in pensacola?



let me give you an example...i have mr red charter me out for the last 15 years red snapper fishing...he is loaded with money!



i say to mr red how about you and two of your buddies come help me catch 500lbs of red snapper this weekend. It is going to be and over night trip. now mr red is a really good angler and so is his 2 buddies.



now here is what you will do mr red...you will pay me $4000 (this is payed in advance) for giving you the opportunity to catch 500lbs of red snapper which i will sell to the fish house. if you are asked you tell them you are commercial fishing. now i will make sure you go home with plenty of red snapper meat for the freezer. YOU MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT TELL THEM you are on a charter. You are working for me!



IBHUNTLEY this is being done...money makes you do things you should not...this is why we have so many people in prisons today. The only way you get caught is if your customer turns you in...why would somebody want to turn somebody in for letting them catch 500lbs of snapper?



Remember selective customers!!!!!!!! Not every customer gets this deal! If you do not think there are those in the commercial, charter and recreational user groups that break the law...well take off your blinders my friend!



now as far as reefs...there are plenty just 2 or three miles off the beaches loaded with snapper. Also you have robert turpin building a huge reef just a mile off the beach. when finished there he will be building a reef off the mass as well. Trust me when i say we do not need federal waters to catch red snapper...look at texas...365 days with a 4 fish limit.



As for Alabama...i do not live in Alabama so Alabama's problems are not mine. I will say this...i have fished some very nice red snapper spots 2 miles off the beach in Alabama. Those anglers over there are dropping reef material out everyday!



Yes lets close down the entire fed waters for two years NO COMMERCIAL, Charter or RECREATIONAL harvest of red snappers. Then after 2 years we should have plenty of fish would you not agree LBHUNTLEY? I mean you could not disagree with that statement.



You see we recreational anglers are fighting the wrong government...it should be the state of florida. Open back up the state waters and have the feds close down federal waters. Then the commercial and reef permit charter captains...well most will not make it. Then we can reallocate 50% for commercial/reef permit for hire and 50% for recreational...now i think that is a fair split of the resources!
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You see we recreational anglers are fighting the wrong government...it should be the state of florida.
I 100% agree Capt Wes....:clap
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Wes... my friend,

That is such a reach on your scenario of charter/commercial/mr. red rant. I thought about that once or twice before I gave up my permits and I couldnt come up with a way to talk "mr. red" into baiting 16 - 20 hooks and still tip the "deckhand". LOL... Its obvious that you have a vested interest in the state waters. Im not sure how you come to the conclusion that the offshore charter boats sold you out. The NMFS is selling all of us out not just offshore operators. They are pushing their agenda and that is to limit public access to red snapper fishing. It does not matter how many snappers get eaten by flipper while we struggle to catch mingo or how many float off because some billybob snatched them up from 160'.... the NMFS doesnt care about the fish... its main objective is control. I saw several mature red snapper a few years back that had a stringy dark parasite in the roe sack. This should get the same reaction from a government biologist as swine flu did to the secretary of heath and human services. When I reported this.... they had never seen nor heard of it and really were not interested. Only after shaming them did they come up with this "venting" tool... their excuse was that we charter captains go through so many deckhands that it would not be prudant to train any in venting fish ...we have been venting snapper for years. As for me "showing" myself, I am Capt. James G. (Jim) Stone. www.aquaventurecharters.com I have been fishing the gulf since 1974. I got licensed in 1992 and have owned the "Emerald Coast" since 1996. Thats who I am. As for you Ms. Kim refer to Capt Fairly's post... we are a resilient bunch. The shrimpers demise came at the hands of a government that ALLOWED the imported seafood products on the US market coupled with 4 dollar a gallon diesel. BTW what Kim is your beef with charter boats? We just take people fishing that cant or dont choose to own a boat. We take people who visit this area and want to enjoy a day on the water. Most of us are good stewards of the resource and the environment. More than one of us has assisted the small boat fleet. We should not be at war with one another, but with the "rulers".
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