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Old 05-15-2014, 10:52 AM   #31
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There's nothing special about the privilege we're asking for. We're asking for the 6.8% of the quota that we have harvested annually. It takes nothing away from anyone. We are using their system to get what we can to save our failing FMP and to try and improve it. Finally you have an entire group of fisherman that have come together as a single unified voice. Does that sound fimilar to anyone? Like 83 other fisherman that retain 51%?
Once again the typical internet activist is just crying their pretty little eyes out because someone gets a new toy. All you can say is that's not fair! These tourist that come down here are special than you locals. 50% of them don't even know that they're going fishing until the week of their arrival as opposed to almost all of you on here that know your going at least X amount of times a season.

Guess the good thing about the 9 days is all the fuel money your gonna save

I find your post inflammatory on a number of levels, but I will refrain from continuing to elevate this argument.
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Old 05-15-2014, 11:06 AM   #32
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I would like to see the charter boats lumped in with the commercial sector.
Take their 6.8 or even give them 12%, buts lets keep recreational private and charter in the commercial sector, then we will have only rec numbers to dispute.
We actually choose to be lumped with ourselves, and its going to be more like %40. I think that is key to get both the CHF and the true rec the fish management plan that would work best for them. We are just ahead of the game a bit because we have been the squeaky wheel at ALL the gulf council meetings for quite sometime now. I feel with most all the states developing there on data collection, and some sort of I guess you would say accountability measures that your moving ever faster into some kind of regional management. Lots of things really going on right now for the recreational side if you look hard enough. Most all states are claiming 9 miles, several congressmen getting vocial with all kinds of fishery bills. I've even heard that there pushing making all state waters state fish and federal waters federal fish, this would only work if its amended in the M/S act, which could be going on right now. If this would happen it would be no help to federally permitted vessels because of 30b, which the NMFS is in no way going to retract. This is the main reason I feel we need to be seaporated, it would give the states the freedom to do as they please, with no CFH conflict. Lots of things I feel, and definitely hope are going to change for both sides over the next few years. With the pilot plans in the works, were just kinda working all the bugs out and see if it can be a viable option before moving forward. I will tell you this I feel in the future if we are to ever get a real season again in the federal waters we all will be under some sort of heavy regulation like the commercial guys are under right now. I feel that even if certain laws are changed, to be able to enjoy a much longer season every fish will have to be counted in near real time, kinda like the commercial guys have it but of course it will have to be different for the recreational and for the CFH. In the short term with all the political, and public pressure being applied by all sides I'm willing to bet the next stock assessment will show that we can raise the TAC to about 15 million pounds, and we will have some sort of short season again to shut everyone up till the fish management an is fixed, that's going to take years.
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Just like the problems associated with regional management where the states couldn't agree on how to split the TAC, Ard refuses to acknowledge that there will also be disagreement on how to split their 38% amongst themselves.

Ard claims that they are all one big happy family, and that the Texas charterboats will get the same number of fish as the Alabama charterboats, except he cannot (or will not) explain exactly how this could possibly happen.

You see, the big thing about implementing IFQs in a fishery has ALWAYS resulted in a substantial REDUCTION in the number of vessels participating. I challenge ANYONE to show ANY fishery where IFQs have been implemented where this has NOT happened. If IFQs are implemented in the Gulf CFH fishery, there WILL be a substantial REDUCTION in the number of Gulf charterboats.
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Tom, and Tom, I've said this before, and I'll say it again. There is NO FAIR WAY TO SPLIT THIS PIE. As with the way the commercial side was broken up, some will come away from the split as kings, some will come away as paupers. There is also no fair way to split the pie between the pure rec and the CFH. I can't roll my friends under the bus for a species of fish that isn't even close to being the best tasting fish out there.
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Burnt,
You are 100% correct, especially when noting that they don't have the data to make such decisions - it's all about controlling access to the fishery.

This control will be achieved through for-hire IFQs where they will further limit the number of charterboats allowed access to the fishery. This control will be achieved for private recs through a fish tag system where the number of fish tags will be printed based on some predetermined desired number of fish to be landed that has no basis in reality or historical participation.
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Here is the 17 that have been permited

Exempted Fishing Permit. Effective January 1, 2014. List modified December 5, 2013. Based
on this list, 286,457 pounds whole weight (ww) of the 5.39 million pound ww red snapper
recreational quota (5.3 146%) and 43,053 pounds gutted weight (gw) of the 1.5 19 mp gw gag
recreational catch target (2.8343%) is allocated to the Collaborative. These weights translate to
55,527 individual red snapper, and 6,017 individual gag.
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Captain John Johnny Williams, Galveston TX 1152450
La Pesca Paul Dirk and Rene Gabriel, Port Aransas, TX 526583
Scat Cat Bobby Grumbles, Port Aransas, TX 555458
New King Fisher Kelly Owens, Port Aransas, TX 601342
Gulf Winds II Randy and Susan Boggs, Orange Beach, AL 904277
Reel Surprise Randy and Susan Boggs, Orange Beach, AL 904088

Zeke’s Lady Tom Steber, Orange Beach, AL 633522
Escape Frank Thierry, Jr., Dauphin Island, AL 1023378
Sweet Jody Cliff Cox, Destin, FL 649964
Destin Princess Kelly Windes, Destin, FL 1041055
Destiny Kelly Windes, Destin, FL 1138087

Fish N Xpress Bill and Cindy Little, Port St. Joe, FL 554082
Super Queen Eric Spaulding, Clearwater, FL 541178
Gulf Queen Eric Spaulding, Clearwater, FL 611950

Double Eagle II Chad Haggert, Clearwater, FL 522907
Double Eagle III Chad Haggert, Clearwater, FL 622650

Gulf Star Richard Castellano, Tarpon Springs, FL 1039798
Actually 13 ... if you count the people who have two boats as one.
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So did the measure pass?
Also, what will the charter boats do after June 10 when Snapper, Amberjack, Gags and triggerfish are all closed? Not trying to stir shit, just curious.
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Well fish and catch Reds, Gags, jacks and triggers. We'll tell them how beautiful that fish is and how great of a fisherman they are to be able to land one. There'll probably be a 10 min photo session of anything over 10lbs anyways and if flipper decides to come join the party, well all I can say is he's welcome anytime around me. Who knows. We might not even keep a fish. 30% of my customers want at most to keep enough fish for A meal. Can you believe that? Who on this forum would ever spend $1000 for a fish dinner?
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I do, several times per year.
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Well fish and catch Reds, Gags, jacks and triggers. We'll tell them how beautiful that fish is and how great of a fisherman they are to be able to land one. There'll probably be a 10 min photo session of anything over 10lbs anyways and if flipper decides to come join the party, well all I can say is he's welcome anytime around me. Who knows. We might not even keep a fish. 30% of my customers want at most to keep enough fish for A meal. Can you believe that? Who on this forum would ever spend $1000 for a fish dinner?
Lope that is great if your people just keep enough for dinner, I have had people in hotels give me fresh filets because they had to go home and could not take it. I like fresh fish and if it hits the freezer it is not the same so i wast lots of fuel on my fish. I don't know if its conservation or what, but I usually try to keep enough to get me through to the next trip. Flipper is going to eat well this season.
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