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Old 05-14-2014, 10:37 AM   #1
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Did the NMFS agree to give the Alabama charter fleet special permits to catch red snapper? I read where it was to be voted on but didnt hear the results of the vote. Looking at the amount of fish they were considering giving the charter boats and doing some simple math, each charter boat would only have 42 trips to snapper fish. Looking at the rates on these boats and assuming 6 passengers per trip thats only about $50,000 for the entire snapper season. Can a charter boat make a living in Alabama with that little money being generated on their biggest money making fish?
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Here is the 17 that have been permited

Exempted Fishing Permit. Effective January 1, 2014. List modified December 5, 2013. Based
on this list, 286,457 pounds whole weight (ww) of the 5.39 million pound ww red snapper
recreational quota (5.3 146%) and 43,053 pounds gutted weight (gw) of the 1.5 19 mp gw gag
recreational catch target (2.8343%) is allocated to the Collaborative. These weights translate to
55,527 individual red snapper, and 6,017 individual gag.
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Vessel Name (not including corporations) Documentation
Captain John Johnny Williams, Galveston TX 1152450
La Pesca Paul Dirk and Rene Gabriel, Port Aransas, TX 526583
Scat Cat Bobby Grumbles, Port Aransas, TX 555458
New King Fisher Kelly Owens, Port Aransas, TX 601342
Gulf Winds II Randy and Susan Boggs, Orange Beach, AL 904277
Reel Surprise Randy and Susan Boggs, Orange Beach, AL 904088
Zeke’s Lady Tom Steber, Orange Beach, AL 633522
Escape Frank Thierry, Jr., Dauphin Island, AL 1023378
Sweet Jody Cliff Cox, Destin, FL 649964
Destin Princess Kelly Windes, Destin, FL 1041055
Destiny Kelly Windes, Destin, FL 1138087
Fish N Xpress Bill and Cindy Little, Port St. Joe, FL 554082
Super Queen Eric Spaulding, Clearwater, FL 541178
Gulf Queen Eric Spaulding, Clearwater, FL 611950
Double Eagle II Chad Haggert, Clearwater, FL 522907
Double Eagle III Chad Haggert, Clearwater, FL 622650
Gulf Star Richard Castellano, Tarpon Springs, FL 1039798
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Did the NMFS agree to give the Alabama charter fleet special permits to catch red snapper? I read where it was to be voted on but didnt hear the results of the vote. Looking at the amount of fish they were considering giving the charter boats and doing some simple math, each charter boat would only have 42 trips to snapper fish. Looking at the rates on these boats and assuming 6 passengers per trip thats only about $50,000 for the entire snapper season. Can a charter boat make a living in Alabama with that little money being generated on their biggest money making fish?

We are going to do our best to make a living this year on 9 days of snapper fishing. We are running fishing trips now and have been all spring. The boats that have marketed and built there business around a red snapper may be in trouble.
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The Alabama Charterboat Cooperative carbon-copied the Headboat Cooperative EFP because they don't care how their actions affect the rest of the Gulf recreational fishermen, just so long as they get theirs.

The 17 headboats were given over twice the amount of quota than they were entitled to, and can fish any day they want since January 1 of this year while everyone else is forced to sit at the dock. Even with this 9 day season that the rest of us are looking at, it doesn't affect the headboat allocation - one headboat got enough red snapper to take out his boat 55 days this year and put every one of his 80 customers on full limits of red snapper EVERY TRIP. And here we are looking at 9 days, maybe.

What a total crock of BS.

Ard and his cronies want to be able to be just like the headboats - fish every day of the year with an average allocation of 4,000 pounds of red snapper per boat next year while the rest of us will probably not have a red snapper season at all. Ard and his EDF-funded cronies are already planning their next lawsuit later this summer to ensure that we don't even have 9 days next year.
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The Alabama Charterboat Cooperative carbon-copied the Headboat Cooperative EFP because they don't care how their actions affect the rest of the Gulf recreational fishermen, just so long as they get theirs.

The 17 headboats were given over twice the amount of quota than they were entitled to, and can fish any day they want since January 1 of this year while everyone else is forced to sit at the dock. Even with this 9 day season that the rest of us are looking at, it doesn't affect the headboat allocation - one headboat got enough red snapper to take out his boat 55 days this year and put every one of his 80 customers on full limits of red snapper EVERY TRIP. And here we are looking at 9 days, maybe.

What a total crock of BS.

Ard and his cronies want to be able to be just like the headboats - fish every day of the year with an average allocation of 4,000 pounds of red snapper per boat next year while the rest of us will probably not have a red snapper season at all. Ard and his EDF-funded cronies are already planning their next lawsuit later this summer to ensure that we don't even have 9 days next year.

Why can we as AL fisherman not file a lawsuit against these charter captains?


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Why can we as AL fisherman not file a lawsuit against these charter captains?


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You have to have an "injury" for example loss of income to be successful in a lawsuit. Recreational fisherman by and large do not have claim to economic loss etc. That said, bait and tackle shops, boat manufacturers and tackle companies might.
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You have to have an "injury" for example loss of income to be successful in a lawsuit. Recreational fisherman by and large do not have claim to economic loss etc. That said, bait and tackle shops, boat manufacturers and tackle companies might.
You would think the state would have claim against lost revenue in taxes...?
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You would think the state would have claim against lost revenue in taxes...?
my opinion only and i am no expert but i think you will see the commercial captains and maybe noaa suing the non-compliant states before you see a state suing the feds.
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my opinion only and i am no expert but i think you will see the commercial captains and maybe noaa suing the non-compliant states before you see a state suing the feds.
Hmmmm…. I think I have been to a meeting or two on that very subject.
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The State does not give a flip about NW Florida! Population and voters have the stroke! Well & $$$$$.
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