Hey Navkingfisher, just read a post on Titanium gigs , saw your comment about no barbs, well I have just learned to use this computer stuff not to good at it but I have had a Titanium gig for years, just now made a few for sale, with the barbs which is my preference, I made a few all thread gigs but just dont like the looks of them, im sure they will hold but the barbs I know will hold ! If you ever need a well made barbed gig just look me up, OK ?????