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Tuna Man (7/3/2009)
deadeyedave (7/3/2009)
And...OH....I wonder how many of those that say..turn them in, partake in a joint now and then...Wouldn't it be nice to get turned in
Getting high compared to screwing mother nature are two completely different issues. If I smoke a fatty, yes I am breaking the law, but I only affect myself not the ecosystem.
Deadeye
I'm not saying it's right but how much can the illegal, hook and line fisherman affect the ecosystem, compared to the netters, (one doesn't make the other right)Also if you get high and drive, which I'd bet at least 95% of you do, it is now affecting both me and everyone else on the road. Although I'd rather have a pot high driver on the road then a drunk. I'm not even going to get into how EVERYONE of us here affects the ecosystem and not for the good no matter weather you cheat or not.
you'd bet that 95% of the people that read this forum get high and drive? I'll take that bet. you'll lose.
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Mingo
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Wait till Aug 1 when the new fishing license law goes into effect..... short fish, over the limit, no license $$$$$$$$
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Sailfish
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| I am against breaking the law. However, I am also against the law being so *&^% complicated that the average joe has to check daily just to see what he can keep today, how long it has to be, and where he can fish. I say make the laws simple, only change them once a year so the rule books can stay accurate, then enforce those rules. I think a significant number of people get fed up trying to be legal, and decide "the hell with it!" and just do what they want to. Everyone says "Vote to change the law!". How many of us disagree with the current red snapper regs? I don't see that changing anytime soon. Unfortunately, it takes tremendous lobbying and money to grease the wheels of congress, which of course the common guy just does not have. Try calling your congressman. He won't call you back. I have tried it myself, and got no reply. I plan to vote for the non-incumbant in the next election, but I bet they won't call me back either. Eventually, I think that there will be some form of civil disobedience that will occur in our country, similar to the canadians refusing to give up their hunting rifles even though they are illegal. Bigger government means more laws, and it is already too much tax and too much law. I don't keep short fish, but if I needed to do it to feed myself and family, you bet I would.
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Grouper
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| I agree with you there angus doc.....I just dont like it at all when I see a guy going all out to purposely catch 10 times the legal limit for money....Its jerk-offs like that who cause big drastic limit changes and steeper fines.
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kanaka (7/3/2009)
Wait till Aug 1 when the new fishing license law goes into effect..... short fish, over the limit, no license $$$$$$$$
i dont agree with the new license law. I don't think someone should have to pay for a license to fish from the shore. considering a good bit of those people fish once or twice a year. i actually saw some people free floating a gotcha lure on a small walmart carolina rig with a big ass bobber on it the other day. they had no idea what they were doing, they were just there for the water and seemed to be having a good time. Should people like that be forced to buy a license? I have a fishing license because i fish from a boat and from a kayak, as well as the shore. I fish alot. I don't think these people with their wal mart specials that fish once or twice a year should have to go buy a license.
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Ruby Red Lip
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....I don't care who you are, 10" speck, 16" red.....should be protected. They are the future of our ecosystem. I have no respect for anyone keeping undersized (or over) sized fish.
"Fish On!"
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Trigger
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| License or not we are trading money for stock if no one regulates these practices!!! All I am saying is don't think of money but think of consequenses for the future. Everyone on this forum enjoys catching large fish, but If we keep everything we catch then where does that leave us? Deadeye
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Seriously....."the great depression" our resources were depleted?
No, seriously!
People were, and this is no joke, starving...and you think a size limit should have been enforced?
Ok, this part is serious, I agree with size limits. But what about the people who are just trying to fish for something to eat? I don't mean the welfare chumps who just use it as an excuse.
Also, why are the limits imposed? Because of you and me in our personal boats raking in the fish or because of boats like Joe Patti's who harvest them by the tons? We wouldn't need limits if commercial fishing was more restricted. In fact, what would happen if commercial fishing was outlawed? Yea jobs would be lost, fish prices would go up, but limits would be removed.
Now you figure the way to allow commercial fishing and no limits....and EVERYONE would be happy. Till then....guess we'll have limits....people unhappy with them and people like to play fish police.
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Grouper
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| Very intelligent post John Becker! You have brought some credibility to this inane thread. As for the windfall of money from the new licenses the great percentage of it will be wasted as per usual. The money earmarked for reefs and boat ramps will be money well spent. The money that goes to the FWC and administration will be a total waste.
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De Anza Jig (7/3/2009)
....I don't care who you are, 10" speck, 16" red.....should be protected. They are the future of our ecosystem. I have no respect for anyone keeping undersized (or over) sized fish.Yep...redfish doesnt even become able to reproduce until its around 5 yrs old.
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Mingo
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i dont agree with the new license law. I don't think someone should have to pay for a license to fish from the shore. considering a good bit of those people fish once or twice a year. i actually saw some people free floating a gotcha lure on a small walmart carolina rig with a big ass bobber on it the other day. they had no idea what they were doing, they were just there for the water and seemed to be having a good time. Should people like that be forced to buy a license? I have a fishing license because i fish from a boat and from a kayak, as well as the shore. I fish alot. I don't think these people with their wal mart specials that fish once or twice a year should have to go buy a license.[/quote]
Jhoe,
Tis a bummer, but what must YOU buy if you are going to use a spinning/casting rig from the shore in fresh water?????
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Mingo
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| Does anyone have a link to a thread or something on the new license law? I don't know much about it.
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Ruby Red Lip
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I keep a set of laminated size regulations in a pouch of my tackle bag. Haven't had to use it in a while, but it's always there if I need it. Hats off to the originator of this post... it's quite popular (very heated). Don't know that I agree with all the drama, but I keep coming back!
Mac
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pb&jellyfish (7/5/2009)
Does anyone have a link to a thread or something on the new license law? I don't know much about it.myfwc.com saltwater fishing licenses.
Capt Ollie ,
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That laminated size regulations you keep had better be updated every 2 weeks or so, because that is how often they change the regulations. Go and look at the fishing regulation spreadsheet put out in january 2009, and see how much is wrong now.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Sometimes you have to hunker down and take it like a jackass in a hailstorm".... Lyndon Johnson ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Well........If it ain't broke, it just ain't broke yet... " -myself
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Garbo (7/2/2009)
For an act of Gross to change the Tone of DeadeyeDave, it must be a Gross act indeed and as well worthy of all to apply attention and equity by all. Such an Act is that of poach. To ask mankind to be honest and correct in mankinds actions will be a mission of great effort. History has proven it soo many times more often to be that mankind will cheat to win, than to be honest and suffer even if the suffering shall be slight. The greater side of the event of majesty in fooling the wiley game being the trickery itself and not the keep, cheat mankind would not carry out, but if greater mankind only knew the greater side. Thus the answer is, Teach my accomplished Friend, teach. Teach the offenders in mankind the greater side of what sport is in order for there to be a win in the act of capture itself, and there to be an understanding in the win that comes in the release. For if it is not known it will not be realized, felt or understood, so we Teach, and no greater teacher is there than the accomplished that share the true value of the grandure of the event as it has and shall always be. Mankinds majority does not know the Greatest gain, so Teach my great accomplished friend, Teach. . Awsome post by the way Garbo!!! My hats off to you bro!!! Deadeyedave
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deadeyedave (7/4/2009)
License or not we are trading money for stock if no one regulates these practices!!! AllI am saying is don't think of money but think of consequenses for the future. Everyone on this forum enjoys catching large fish, but If we keep everything we catch then where does that leave us?
Deadeye
I'm willing to bet, not as bad as you think. Walk into Joe Pattis, look around, then log back on here and tell me you honestly think recreational fisherman make a difference. I for one am far too proud to keep an undersized fish, I think that speaks a million words about someones ability to find and catch fish. However, If I'm hungry I'm going to eat. You, the FWC, or putting that cute little baby redfish in a pink bow, will not stop me from eating a fish If times are tough and I'm broke. Fortunately, any time I've ever been broke (when i was younger i wasn't exactly the budget master), I've managed to nail a 22"ish speck.
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| Your post explains my arguement exactly!!! I don't even remember your post name nor will I. Thanks for your very intelligent post!!! Deadeye
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Ruby Red Lip
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| If you are broke maybe you should be working instead of fishing.I keep legal fish.
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irritation point (7/9/2009)
If you are broke maybe you should be working instead of fishing.I keep legal fish.
If I have all my bills paid, work is slow, and i go catch my own food, what makes that any different than working? I don't understand your logic there.
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| I'm gonna up my personal quota this "year" from 25 bullreds kept to 100...Obama killed my grocery list...Any opposers?
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| 12" reds, specks and snapper eat much better than the bigger ones. I don't keep them anymore, but I would never criticize or turn in someone who does. Also, IMO recreation minimum size and bag limits have nothing to do with the numbers and quality of fish we have now. Banning commercial gill nets and the redfish purse net operations is what saved us. Now if we could just get rid of the shrimpers. I don't mind eating Viet Cong and Chinese shrimp.
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Honestly, I am not calling in poaching anymore. Why? Frankly, I end up wasting all night on the phone only to have the people leave with wayyyy over limit on 40" redfish and FWC to say they will be there in about 4 hours. I have called every FWC, PPD, SR Sheriff, every ECSD station south of Cantonment, and FHP (depending on jurisdiction of where I am, including from shore or boat) all on numerois occassions and not ONCE has a unit responded within 4 hours (actually, in 10+ calls I have only seen one response and that around the 4 hour mark). The only time I see FWC is when they check my fish and confirm that I have legal fish. Apparently, they are too busy to respond to calls, so I am not punishing myself by wasting evenings of fishing on hold with them! 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SIGNATURE FOLLOWS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~If a white jig/plastic combo or a bottom rig with bait don't catch it, it don't need to be caught.  Speckled Trout make me  , but Bluefish make me  . Common sense and courtesy prevent more problems than rules could ever solve. Always respect the space of another angler!
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