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All this talk about every fish being killed like the mega sharks and sail fish off the pier is nuts does any one under stand who the real apex predators are....US! if you can drop a bait down and bring up a legal snapper in under 30 sec there not apex predators and if Lou Nanny can catch a legal sailfish off the pier after an hour fight on a 706 thats not so apex. but most important if you can catch and put a 596.6 pound tiger freaking shark in a god dang 20ft flats boat!!!!!!!! he isn't an apex preadator!
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I read what you wrote, does this have a valid meaning or just venting due to people complaining about killing fish!!! Just curious. 
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| Webster defines a "predator" as "an animal that lives by predation". And defines "predation" as "1. the act of preying or plundering; 2. a mode of life in which food is primarily obtained by killing and consuming animals." I am not a PETA or a tree hugger, but the following questions beg discussion. Having defined predator and predation; is killing a shark, or any animal for the fun of it an act of predation? Other definitions to ponder: "Kill. verb, 1. To deprive of life. 2. to put an end to. adj. An act of killing" "Sport. 1. A source of diversion. 2. Physical activity engaged in for pleasure." "Fun. Something that provides amusement or enjoyment." And this one. "__________, one who has not lost contact with reality but who engages in abnormally agressive and seriously irresponsible behavior with little or no feeling of guilt."
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| You can call us apex when we have the opportunity to have all of our wits and technology available to us, but just like any other animal we can be caught unawares and become the prey. Humans often find themselves prey to any number of animals. So, by your explanation that on any given saturday we are the apex predator and are able to kill sharks and blue marlin, have that same boat we are on as the apex sink and we quickly drop to the lower middle of the food chain.
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Trigger
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| Sharks kill an average of four humans a year, we kill an average of four million sharks a year. Before the westward expansion of the White man in North America there were aprox 60 million Bison on the Great Plains. That number was reduced to around one thousand in less than two hundred years. We have pushed countless species into extinction. We are something, but "Apex Predator" aint one of them.
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Trigger
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| I love to fish and i do keep some of the fish I catch. I've never caught an "apex predator" i guess because there are so few around ( and because I'm not a great fisherman). But there are millions of people on this planet that can catch fish much better than me. If they all keep every apex predator they catch, there won't be anymore around. Just like if everyone kept every snapper they caught, there wouldn't be many around. It might be fun for us to do that, but just because something is fun and just because we can do it, doesn't mean we should do it. I like to think that someday I'll take one of my grandchildren fishing. If we don't preserve what we have by sometimes exercising a little restraint, we won't have it forever and my decedents and yours won't be able to enjoy what we all love to do.
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I love to fish and i do keep some of the fish I catch. I've never caught an "apex predator" i guess because there are so few around ( and because I'm not a great fisherman). But there are millions of people on this planet that can catch fish much better than me. If they all keep every apex predator they catch, there won't be anymore around. Just like if everyone kept every snapper they caught, there wouldn't be many around. It might be fun for us to do that, but just because something is fun and just because we can do it, doesn't mean we should do it. I like to think that someday I'll take one of my grandchildren fishing. If we don't preserve what we have by sometimes exercising a little restraint, we won't have it forever and my decedents and yours won't be able to enjoy what we all love to do.We might as well go kill as many lions and tigers as we can,then donate to some scientific cause.Killing sharks is a waste.It takes sharks many,many years to reach sexual maturity in order to reproduce.I have witnessed in my short 36 years, a dramatic decline in large sharks in our area.There are some but not like it was.We as fisherman need to be resonsible stewards of our resources and killing sharks "because we can" is not being responsible.We really need to get out of the JAWS mindset.My 2 cents..
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I love to fish and i do keep some of the fish I catch. I've never caught an "apex predator" i guess because there are so few around ( and because I'm not a great fisherman). But there are millions of people on this planet that can catch fish much better than me. If they all keep every apex predator they catch, there won't be anymore around. Just like if everyone kept every snapper they caught, there wouldn't be many around. It might be fun for us to do that, but just because something is fun and just because we can do it, doesn't mean we should do it. I like to think that someday I'll take one of my grandchildren fishing. If we don't preserve what we have by sometimes exercising a little restraint, we won't have it forever and my decedents and yours won't be able to enjoy what we all love to do.We might as well go kill as many lions and tigers as we can,then donate to some scientific cause. Killing sharks is a waste.It takes sharks many,many years to reach sexual maturity in order to reproduce.I have witnessed in my short 36 years, a dramatic decline in large sharks in our area.There are some but not like it was.We as fisherman need to be resonsible stewards of our resources and killing sharks "because we can" is not being responsible.We really need to get out of the JAWS mindset.My 2 cents.. I'm usually not one to post replies on these subjects, but I am going to say this. I (my wife and I) shark fish alot out in Pensacola Bay. We typically catch between 12 and 15 sharks per trip and we usually keep 1 maybe 2 if were going to have a fish fry. I however don't feel like keeping my limit has any effect on the species. If you will consider all the other illegal activities such as netting, finning etc... this is what hurts our fishery. It's not killing one fish. As for needing years to mature, well so does most living things. It's when people exploit things is when shortages occure, not your normal everyday activities. This is my opinion and I'm not bashing anyone for thiers.
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Dang.
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| Anyone on here kill hawks, owls or Eagles? An Apex preditor is a creature, any creature that doesn't have a natural preditor that lives in it's enviroment. JHogue you would never be able to defeat a sow snapper on her terms, yes her terms. She, yes She would own you. Same goes with Sailfish, Marlin, Sharks, Bears and some other preditors that would own any single one of us on their terms. You may feel as you are an apex preditor when deer hunting, buddy think again. A whitetail deer can outlive you 50 times in their enviroment, you wouldnt stand a chance. So pick up that .270 and feel good about yourself, even though the odds are in your favor and all things even the whitetail, buck or doe wins against you every time. I don't normally post on such threads as this but felt the urge.
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all i hear everyday at work(GBB&T) is how bad the shark tourny was because of the meaningless killing and this was also refered to sailfish thread in blue water reports and the guy who called in on the outcast show sun. night and ask how many apex predators were killed over the weekend
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| Can anyone name any creature that they defeated on fair terms? Meaning that you defeated the creature on terms that would be equal to the defeated creature? There may be some of us that are suprised at how much weaker we are than the creatures we pursue. Apex Indeed.
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The boy that bit by the shark a few years ago "Jesse Arbogast". Didn't his uncle pull the bull shark out of the surf bare handed. I think that that counts for defeating a creature on its own turf.
I also went mano e mano with a redfish, bare handed "see report" on his own turf. Granted the redfish was injured with equilibrium problems, but I was drunk and having the same problems. So I guess that it was a fair battle.
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I caught a manta ray bare handed one time. VS250 was there to witness it. I think the technology is fair. Humans developed it so it is a way we have figured out to be smarter than our prey
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Freespool (8/15/2008)
I caught a manta ray bare handed one time. VS250 was there to witness it. I think the technology is fair. Humans developed it so it is a way we have figured out to be smarter than our preyI respect your opinion, but that removes you from the Apex catagory, technology is not part of most enviroments that game of pursuit lives in. I respect you though.
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| As bad as I hate to say it, Tred Barta is the closest thing to an Apex Preditor in a human, I have ever heard of, and he is still far from being Apex. BigFoot would be ahead of him, but I can't say that I believe he exist.... Our American Military men and women could be considered Apex, as they do fight human to human, and are truly superior to the opposition. By the way, thanks for your service.
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Who is VS250?
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I'm sorry VS200 is who I meant
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I'm sorry VS200 is who I meantCool.
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Who is VS250? my evil stepbrother... just kidding. Now, that is funny I don't care who you are. John, Clay loves his Syndrome Skimboard. He sends his thanks, and he owes you. Thanks for the favor.
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Tred Barta??
According to the news recently Bigfoot may actually exist, but if I came across him in the woods "his environment" I would make him my bitch!
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Who is VS250? my evil stepbrother... just kidding. Now, that is funny I don't care who you are. John, Clay loves his Syndrome Skimboard. He sends his thanks, and he owes you. Thanks for the favor. no problem Curtis, tell Clay i said thanks for the buisness!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxxPLDZnqwA&feature=fvst Anchoring for cobia fishing is like washing your feet with socks on, it doesn't make any damn sense!!!
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Garbo (8/15/2008)
As bad as I hate to say it, Tred Barta is the closest thing to an Apex Preditor in a human, I have ever heard of, and he is still far from being Apex. BigFoot would be ahead of him, but I can't say that I believe he exist.... This is a stupid argument. Of course bigfoot exists. Gooney Goo Goo!
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Tred Barta??
According to the news recently Bigfoot may actually exist, but if I came across him in the woods "his environment" I would make him my bitch!I think I know his exwife, good luck on your venture..
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Garbo (8/15/2008)
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Tred Barta??
According to the news recently Bigfoot may actually exist, but if I came across him in the woods "his environment" I would make him my bitch!I think I know his exwife, good luck on your venture.. NOW THAT IS FUNNY!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxxPLDZnqwA&feature=fvst Anchoring for cobia fishing is like washing your feet with socks on, it doesn't make any damn sense!!!
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Bigfoot is in some guys chest freezer in north Georgia according to Fox News.
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Bigfoot is in some guys chest freezer in north Georgia according to Fox News. He is not in some guys chest freezer, That is his ExWife's Freezer.
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