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| Ok, I have gotten a lot of tickets over the years and all for speeding and I always just paid them. This time, however, I decided to fight it in court.....WOW, what a mistake that was. I live behind the schools in Navarre, there are 3 of them all jumbled together. If you leave my house and drive to HWY98 there is not one sign that tells you what time the school zones are. Now, I went out there and got on 98 and accelerated to a whopping 31mph by the end of the school zone. Keep in mind the speed limit when no zone is in effect is 45 and 20 when it is. I got pulled over and given a ticket. Now I'm not so stupid as to not realize there is a school zone there. I have lived in the same house for 14 years, but there are 3 schools all with different start times. To this day I don't really know when the school zone times are because after I got the ticket I called the school and no one could tell me, one lady told me to look at the flashing sign.....There isn't one when leaving the school. Now, I went to court armed with pictures of the route showing no signs and nothing at all indicating when the school zone time starts. The officer tells the "judge" (I use that term very loosly now) what happened and it was factual. I then proceed to tell my side of the story. I have pictures of my view for the entire drive to 98. The "judge" didn't look at any of them. I told him that there are no signs indicating the time for the school zone on the route that I take to 98, which, is clearly indicated in the pictures. He insists I should "know" because of the flashin lights. Now, this is where I read to him the statute on school zones. It clearly stated that the school zones must be clearly marked with the TIMES the zone is in effect or have a flashing light. Well, I couldn't very well call him an idiot in court...the signs can only be seen as flashing from one side, if you are in the middle you can't see that. So, I stated all of this and when he started coming at me with all of this "I should just know because I have lived there all this time." I was still trying to make him understand that I couldn't see the signs and didn't know, he got pissed, doubled my fine and called me guilty. All but threw me out of the court. I am now debating on whether or not to get a lawyer and try to fight this thing further. The one thing I do know is that Judge Hilliard now has ZERO of my respect as a public official and that I am here to tell you that facts mean nothing in court in Santa Rosa. And if anyone here knows this "judge" feel free to let him know I'd be happy to discuss my dissatisfaction any time. If I'm in the wrong I'll be the first to admit it, but, this time, I honestly drove to and pulled out as I would any time. It seems to me that these indicators are there to REMIND you that the zone is in effect. I am just astounded at this point.
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sounds like quite the pompous ass....fight it
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| My first question would be; why was Judge Hilliard presiding over traffic court ? In Santa Rosa County, traffic hearing officers handle infraction hearings. It only goes to a Judge when the hearing officer's ruling is appealed. I don't think paying an attorney would be necessary, but you should appeal the ruling on the grounds of your research. I have no tolerance of school or work zone speeders, and will stroke out a citation for either, but if the area was not property marked, you should have grounds for a defense. Unfortunatly, you found out the hard way that the court can impose a much higher fine than what is posted on the citation.
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| What has me so fired up is I get the impression that I was guilty the instant I started talking. It just makes no sense at all. If I should just know because I have lived by schools for 15 years then why have signs at all? Everyone should just know. But, we don't do it that way...why?...because like any other traffic hazard you put up a sign to REMIND people of the danger/hazard. If they had a sign going towards that intersection from the school that said the times for the school zone then I would know. Here is another little twist, there is a sign at that intersection that says no right on red from 7am to 8am...the officer told the judge that he has seen me a ton of times at that intersection and never made a right on red during that time( I honestly think the officer was trying to help me out at this point). Ok, so right there it is...WHEN THE SIGN IS THERE WITH THE TIMES I FOLLOW IT....Judge....ignores the whole thing....WOW. Now better yet..this next year the times for the schools are changing....I'm screwed. It's not about the money, if it were I would have paid the fine and moved on. This is about getting busted for doing something I couldn't have known was wrong and then about the fact that this "judge" can't even see the simplest logic that dictates that I should not have gotten the ticket. This is the first time I have ever stood before a judge for anything and the outcome was absolute nonsense. I have never been so disenchanted with a system in my life. You have an "ideal" about how our court system works, when you see it in action you will really be disappointed. It is truly a sad day for this american having seen how his judicial system works.
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Grouper
      
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you're wrong....governments view traffic enforcement as easy revenue
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Hell yes fight it! I understand what you are going through. A friend of mine got pulled over in the city of milton about 1 and 1/2 years ago, when they were doing construction. They had taken down the speed limit signs. I know if you are heading east on 90 the speed drops from 45 to 35 at the autozone. However, when he got pulled over for speeding he was past the old sign(which wasn't there because of construction) he got a ticket. The next day he took a few pics and fought it in court and won. Later another deputy and I were talking about the incident and he was pissed that he got off! I understand that the speed limit is there for a reason(now what the reason is I often wonder) but, come on use a little logic! I say fight it. You do NOT have to have a lawyer just do some research. MSN had an article on fighting tickets a few months back! just my .02!
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